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mudsmith wrote on 8/31/2012, 4:52 PM
Well, there are affordable 4k cameras, and Vegas can certainly do 4k cuts only editing now, so.........
Chienworks wrote on 9/1/2012, 8:17 AM
Sorry, but it's really only 2K, not 4K.

I dunno where along the way some marketing dunce changed HD from "1080" to 2K, but it was purely a dumb marketing ploy to suddenly make everyone think the resolution was doubled.

Ugh.
dibbkd wrote on 9/1/2012, 9:34 AM
4K is more than double 1080 isn't it?
PeterDuke wrote on 9/1/2012, 9:53 AM
1080i or 1080p is 2k because the horizontal resolution (1920) is nearly 2k.

Therefore 3840x2160 is 4k (2X the resolution, 4X the pixels)

Why talk of the vertical resolution when you can talk of the bigger horizontal resolution?

For example: "My milk is 98% fat free!" (not 2% fat).

Spin rules!
Tech Diver wrote on 9/1/2012, 10:43 AM
With regard to afforability, JVC's 4k (3840 x 2160) camcorder is only $5000. I'm not sure what the cameras from other manufacturers go for.

Peter
rs170a wrote on 9/1/2012, 12:20 PM
If you're interested in the JVC camera, the specs and a sample test file are available.
JVC GY-HMQ10E 4K2K HD Camcorder
Be advised that it's 4 separate streams so you'll have to put each one on its own track and use Track Motion to position them properly.

Mike
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/1/2012, 3:07 PM
> "Be advised that it's 4 separate streams so you'll have to put each one on its own track and use Track Motion to position them properly."

lol... also be advised that Vegas Pro, Adobe Premiere Pro and probably Avid and FCP set their 4K projects up to be 4096 x 2304 which is true 4K so even if you use Track Motion, this footage will not fill the frame because it's not 4K, it's only "4K UHDTV" which is 2x HD or 2 x 1920x1080 = 3820 x 2160. Once again (why am I not surprised) the only standard in the video world is THERE ARE NO STANDARDS!!!

I had to laugh on the JVC site when it said "Most NLE suits should handle the quadrant files for editing- but if not please install the (Mac only) JVC software fix below." What "NLE Suites" are they referring to? Can they name them? probably not because you'd see that "most" is marketing speak for "none" and since their "software fix" that puts the streams back together only runs on a Mac, I'm guessing that this probably a bad camera for a PC user to buy.

~jr
rs170a wrote on 9/1/2012, 3:22 PM
Here's the thread on the DV Info forum where this camera is being discussed.
http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/jvc-gy-hm-series-camera-systems/504252-gy-hmq10u-another-new-cam-jvc.html
I'm not very impressed with it :)

Mike
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/1/2012, 4:18 PM
> "I'm not very impressed with it :)"

I read the whole thread and it sounds like a lot of Mac users getting excited about it because they are use to transcoding everything to ProRes anyway so the extra step in the workflow doesn't bother them. I didn't see any mention of support for Windows. One more reason for Vegas Pro on the Mac. lol :-D

~jr
rs170a wrote on 9/1/2012, 4:23 PM
John, I'm happy you stayed with PCs because I'm ready for a new computer but was waiting to see what you went with. Now I can order my new rig :)

Mike
Steve_Rhoden wrote on 9/1/2012, 5:12 PM
lol......4K, yeah right.
I cant bother taking on the Mac learning curve.
riredale wrote on 9/1/2012, 11:06 PM
I remember seeing an interesting article regarding Sony's FX-1 when it first came out.

The basic conclusion was that no one would ever see the full 1080 (vertical) resolution unless the lens was almost wide-open, due to diffraction effects. And this was with a 1/3" CCD chip size.

So a camera touting a doubling of both vertical and horizontal resolution must have either (a) a 2/3" chip size, or (b) a very, very large lens, perhaps f 1.4. Or am I missing something?

I'm assuming that we're talking about camcorders, not still cameras shooting video.
SbabySuper wrote on 9/6/2012, 11:13 PM
Exactly!! when you play a R3D File in 2K it runs just as smooth as it does in 1080P, no difference.