on the powercore?

VERY good question pipe and one i have been meaning to ask for quite some time.Apart from the fact that those plugs are great then the native vegas plugs need an serious overhaul.

I was teasing you Pipe.
I have TDM and RTAS.
They sound very good, but its a DSP hog!

George Ware

But you know Peter can recode them to be as efficient as the stock vegas plugs, so lets have it

Not me. Far from it. The DSP gurus around here are the magicians.

Peter

>Not me. Far from it. The DSP gurus around here are the magicians.
>Peter

Laughing.........
I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way but....
The Oxford Eq is not one of my "Ooh-Ooh MUST HAVE EQs"
It has its own sound. Most of the people I have worked with (Hip-Hop, R&B, Rap, Soul, Jazz and some Texmex) prefer Waves, Nomad Factory, EAS, Digi and a new company URS. Some of the Rock guys like the Oxford sound the rest use Waves. My first choice is Waves, because I can use them in Acid, Vegas, SF, CDA, Cubase, Sonar and Pro-Tools. I love the sound of Nomad and URS and have begged them to port for DX.

Here is the other reason
On a 44.1/24bit mono track and 1ea. TDM DSP chip.
Sony Oxford Eq+Filters @ 45%. max 2ea. @ 83% per DSP
URS SSL Eq @ 16%. max 10ea. @ 93% per DSP
URS Neve Eq @ 16%. max 10ea. @ 94% per DSP
URS API Eq @ 14%. max 13ea. @ 94% per DSP
Waves RenEq6 @ 19%. max 7ea @ 98% per DSP
Waves Q10 @ 18%. max 11ea. @ 94% per DSP
Waves LinEq Broadband @ 48%. max 1ea. @ 48% x2 DSP

I personally would rather see Peter and the crew adding features Like OMF and AAF support, a consolidate selection to new region, HW Control surface, GUI automation to Vegas 5.

George Ware

We've talked to the Oxford people several times already, they flew over and met with us, cool guys...

...anyway this could definitely happen if there really is a demand. If you really want these start hollering.

Quick survey: They (Oxford) are really worried about copy protection, that's really the hold up. Could you live with ilock?

Already have three
I like iLok

George Ware

Don't have an issue with ilock.
Would love to see the oxford pluggins added.
Steve S.

"Could you live with ilock?"

I can live without the oxford EQ's, thus I've never heard of them, so I guess I really don't need them. There's plenty of EQ's out there that get the job done for me, if I need something better there's always hardware. I can't live with ilock. I don't have the latest versions of Antares Autotune and Waves plugins on my system because of this type of copy protection. On top of that it doesn't work and causes potential system problems. If the guys at Oxford want an ilock option, I will gladly forward them some links where they can download the latest Waves plugins, cracked without the ilock intact. So what's the benefit to the customer? None, it becomes a burden and the cracks are still out there floating around, where it actually makes the cracked version more attractive than the licensed version. Just ask me, I have Steinberg plugins installed without no dongles. :-)

"Could you live with ilock?"

I have to agree with Red here. Locks only keep the honest people out. I refuse to use anything that requires that intrusive type of copy protection.

MJ

I agree with Red. Many, many registered uses of Waves are using the cracked versions to avoid the problems that the dongles cause.
Illegal use is an issue... But extream copy protection causes more harm than good in the long run. Most professional users are going to pay for the licence anyway. The majority of the hackers are not going to do any profitable work with the software anyway, and would not buy it in the first place.

How about a Sony DSP card or firewire box?! the Universal Audio UAD1 is the king of copy protection in a way that makes everyone (nearly) happy!

Incidentally I would love the Oxford especially, and personally wouldn't be adverse to an i-lok.

Jason

I like the DSP hardware solution. There's two problems, I have with this
1. With my DAW, I have a SCSI card, a Video Card, a Network card, dual Sound Cards, and a Midi interface, along with USB periferals that get plugged in and out. Frankly, I'm out of IRQ's and non-shared PCI slots to add additional hardware. This is why I don't have a UAD-1 card.
2. I have a laptop and like to have similar plugin capabilities between this and my DAW to be able to transport projects back and forth. Therefore, I lose compatibility between my systems.

"2. I have a laptop and like to have similar plugin capabilities between this and my DAW to be able to transport projects back and forth. Therefore, I lose compatibility between my systems. "

this is becoming more of an issue for me as I live further from work now. Either I gotta buy another UAD-1 to mess with at home or I dont know what.

Gotta balance backyard big enough for a halfpipe vs. being able to walk across the street to the studio......decisions decisions

I'd love to have the Oxford EQ but the ilock really is an imperfect and very intrusive solution. Like Rednroll said, it's easy enough to find cracks of Waves, Antares, and others that use the ilock system. There must be a better way. Perhaps not as direct-x but as a native Sony app feature, although this way it wouldn't be available in non-Sony applications. The dsp card is a cool idea but for only 1 EQ? How about a dsp card with the Oxford EQ and Acoustic Mirror?

Dave

Actually the more I think about it, the more I'd prefer not to go the dsp card route. I too like to have the same resources avaialble in my work and home studios. I just hope they can figure out a way to do it without the ilock. It would be cool to have some real first class Sony/Vegas exclusive plugins.

Dave

Here's my solution, which goes along with the feature suggestion I just posted in the Sound Forge Forum. It's basically a combination of a hardware/software integration solution. My first suggestion was a DX Insert, where I could easily patch external hardware into a plugin chain. The insert would just have the inputs and outputs of my sound card that I wanted to use for the insert points. Then it would have send and return faders, so that I could automate those within Vegas. I could place the insert anywhere within the plugin chain, just as I can now with any other DX plugin. Then for the FX's solution I'm thinking something along the lines of an Ipod, where the FX's get loaded into a small external hardware device. The hardware would have audio I/O's and then also something like a USB or MIDI connection where I could control the parameters from within Vegas, just like a normal DX plugin. So the only thing that get's installed on your PC is basically the UI, and the processing is all done within the external hardware. The nice thing is since the hardware is small, it makes it very portable and most PC's have USB ports. Damn!!! I like this idea so much, I think I'm going to send it to the Lexicon guys at work.

I like the exclusive sony/vegas idea, and am a long time supporter of hardware track inserts tho I like red's idea of doing it with a dx thing, with auto latency compensation thrown in

So, Red - kind of a cross between an I-pod and a TC powercore firewire? That would be cool, but I reckon given the nature of the software (Vegas) the box would have to be able to run both audio and video plugins - and why not, nobody else does this yet. I guess it could be bus powered too.

I think most important is that Vegas remains a native based system, with the option of hardware addons.

I'm with the anti ilock group. I never intend to have it on any of my systems again. Although I can't prove it, I also believe that ilock and similar extreme measures actually backfire on the manufacturer in the long run.

drbam