Peter Haller wrote:
>>I guess I have a few comments....
>>
>>- I noticed that you first post disappeared as well. I don't know
>>what happened to it. We do not have a policy of editing content,
>>though there may be some language restrictions.
>>
>>- I guess I am confused how you can judge Vegas as it appears you
are
>>not a licensed user - or this is what you imply. You make some
>>specific attacks against Vegas, but only complain and never explain.
>>
>>Finally, don't use it if it doesn't do what you want. Why are you so
>>upset? If something doesn't work for you, then don't use it. Why do
>>you feel you must bash something that you don't even use? Don't you
>>have other tools to keep you busy and do your work with? There are
>>other users that love Vegas and others that hate it.
>>
>>I guess I never understood the need to bash. It really doesn't
change
>>the way we do things, and we are very successful at how we do
things.
>>If you have some constructive points to make, please feel free. At
>>the same time if you want to bash us, feel free. Don't need to
defend
>>Sonic Foundry and our products, we have enough satisfied users that
>>is defense enough.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>Try it.
>>>>Post an opinion that just tells the truth about their
>>>>products and you will see...
>>>>Vegas Pro: SEMI-PRO at best!!!!
>>>>No punch-in/out in real time...
>>>>Sempe/MTC sync is a joke... They know it doesn't work, but
>>>>won't EVER admit it. Poor tech reps, having to lie all the
>>>>time...
>>>>DirectX FX on busses only...but you can use the shitty
>>>>VST/Cakewal ones on tracks!!!!!Can you believe it?
>>>>Website charges unsuspecting victims $200.00 (yes, that's
>>>>TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS) OVER street price...Talk about going
>>>>to the source...
>>>>The list is never-ending.
>>>>The truth: VegasPro 1.0 is just a beta release of a program
>>>>with the POTENTIAL to be very good. $39.95 would be a fair
>>>>price.
>>>>When it works PROFESSIONALLY , I'll be first on line to pay
>>>>$399.00.
>>>>I just can't give my money away....


I'm not bashing Sonic Foundry. I'm just telling the truth, so that
others can make INFORMED decisions. But you wouldn't know about it, of
course. You, Peter, are in the sad position of paying the rent by
prostituting your integrity. NO LIES, NO PAY.
Tell everyone. Are my points valid?
Explain the SEMPTE situation.How can you dare use the word "PRO" for
MULTITRACKING software that wont sync to SEMPTE. You are the "PRO",
not Vegas!!!!
The discrepancy in price.
No DirectX effects on tracks.
Explain the reason for not having punch-in/out ON THE FLY.
You call this 'pro'?

Am I a registered user? No, I'm not a victim yet. I am a PROFESSIONAL
musician MAKING A PROFIT recording music. I'm not your average victim.
I don't believe in pirating software. I don't believe in overpaying
for software.
Give me a FAIR deal without lies and you'll have a happy customer and
$599.00 in your bank account!
BTW, I never registered my copy of ACID, but was more than happy to
pay FULL RETAIL for an EXCELLENT program.SN:210-0009375-458707

Irvin:

What software do you currently use? What's your favorite?

-david


irvin gomez wrote:
>>

irvin gomez wrote:
>>How can you dare use the word "PRO" for
>>MULTITRACKING software that wont sync to SEMPTE.

How can you call yourself a pro and use the word "SEMPTE"? Please
tell the class what "SEMPTE" stands for.....yep, exactly. It
doesn't, moron. Not a typo either because you said it a couple of
times. Why should Sonic Foundry listen to you? You don't even know
what your talking about.

Hmmm ... most industry "professionals" take the time to learn the
correct name of their tools so that they can look less than foolish
when talking about them.

The time code synchronization protocol you are erroneously referring
to as "SEMPTE" is actually an acronym for the "Society of Motion
Picture and Televison Engineers" and is correctly,
and "professionally", referred to as SMPTE.

... and I've yet to meet a real "professional" in the industry who
didn't use the term correctly.

KAC ...


irvin gomez wrote:

>>MULTITRACKING software that wont sync to SEMPTE. You are the "PRO",
>>not Vegas!!!!

>>Am I a registered user? No, I'm not a victim yet. I am a
PROFESSIONAL musician MAKING A PROFIT recording music.

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Hmmm ... most industry "professionals" take the time to learn the
>>correct name of their tools so that they can look less than foolish
>>when talking about them.
>>

The anger in all the responses just confirms my assertion:
The points I make are VALID. That's why there are no answers.
Willing to bet any amount of money none of the "offended" parties
is making any money from music. Most likely they are working for Sam
Ash or Guitar Center until their "break" comes...

The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a PROMISING
multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS. At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
Can it be used to record music? Yes
Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal" spelling, guys!)?
Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and not Vegas
Pro v2.0?
Legitimate questions with no answers...

irvin gomez wrote:

>>The anger in all the responses just confirms my assertion:
>>The points I make are VALID. That's why there are no answers.
>>Willing to bet any amount of money none of the "offended" parties
>>is making any money from music. Most likely they are working for
Sam Ash or Guitar Center until their "break" comes...

Save your money, because you would lose on all counts, including
having neither offended, nor angered me ... and no, I don't work for
Sam Ash or GC either. :)

>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a
PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.

Agreed.

But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when compared,
unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature multitrack/editing
tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool, and a money
maker, in a commercial recording facility.

>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.

Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself many
times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software purchased in
the past twenty years had the same return on investment that VP has
demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)

>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.

IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
that "deal". :)

>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.

Of course it can ... Absolutely!

VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of a hammer,
you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I can't attest
to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in what anyone
would agree is a "professional environment". I would even go so far
as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be missing
because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it can do in
that type of environment. :)

Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with just Vegas
Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with any other
multi-track software program available at 10 times the price.

>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal" spelling, guys!)?

I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC generated
from SMPTE.

>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and not Vegas
>>Pro v2.0?

It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at all.
AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video are
being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I don't
really care what they call Version 2.

>>Legitimate questions with no answers...

While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe that if
you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
your "professional environment", you would eventually see what a
great tool it can actually be in one. :)

KAC ...

>>
>>>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a
>>PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.
>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when compared,
>>unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature multitrack/editing
>>tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool, and a
money
>>maker, in a commercial recording facility.
>>
>>>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>
>>Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
>>$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself many
>>times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software purchased
in
>>the past twenty years had the same return on investment that VP has
>>demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)
>>
>>>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
>>
>>IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
>>that "deal". :)
>>
>>>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
>>
>>Of course it can ... Absolutely!
>>
>>VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of a
hammer,
>>you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I can't
attest
>>to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in what
anyone
>>would agree is a "professional environment". I would even go so far
>>as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be missing
>>because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it can do
in
>>that type of environment. :)
>>
>>Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with just Vegas
>>Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with any
other
>>multi-track software program available at 10 times the price.
>>
>>>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal" spelling,
guys!)?
>>
>>I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC
generated
>>from SMPTE.
>>
>>>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and not
Vegas
>>>>Pro v2.0?
>>
>>It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at all.
>>AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video are
>>being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I don't
>>really care what they call Version 2.
>>
>>>>Legitimate questions with no answers...
>>
>>While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe that if
>>you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
>>your "professional environment", you would eventually see what a
>>great tool it can actually be in one. :)
>>
>>KAC ...
>>

SLOWLY, the truth is coming out...

Check your OWN previous posts, and you begin to see the whole picture.

SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
No PROFESSIONAL sync.
Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
Isn't it true that most people have to record with Cubase/Cakewalk,
etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these CRITICAL
limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can compare
with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in totally
different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all along is
that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, what Sonic
Foundry would like people to believe it is.
Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress the fact
that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.

As far as your assertion that it can be used in a professional
environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used in a
professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that you can
use toilet paper to record your music...

Still, no answers...

It's just a little bitty software program, Irvin, so don't bust a
gut. By now we realize that we won't get "SEMPTE" Gomez's stamp of
approval for our use of the program, but we'll somehow try to live
with that.

ITMT, troll on.

KAC ...

irvin gomez wrote:

>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
>>No PROFESSIONAL sync.
>>Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
>>Isn't it true that most people have to record with Cubase/Cakewalk,
>>etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
>>C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
>>How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these
CRITICAL
>>limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can
compare
>>with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in totally
>>different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all along
is
>>that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, what
Sonic
>>Foundry would like people to believe it is.
>>Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
>>Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress the fact
>>that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.
>>
>>As far as your assertion that it can be used in a professional
>>environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used in a
>>professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that you
can
>>use toilet paper to record your music...
>>
>>Still, no answers...

I have been trying it for quite sometime off and on and I feel it has
really come to light now.I own a very pro studio my friend and do use
SAWPRO for a living recording indy bands!Vegaspro has been a sweet
piece to work with once you use the keyboard short cuts.Punching in
on the fly?How much work did you put into trying the program my
friend?I did a full recording session with the vegas and it was no
big deal to mark the sections we needed to comp into.Matter of fact
it was refreshing!!!!!Sawpro and others do on the fly dropping in,but
they also usually leave you to edit the spot of the drop in due to
zero crossing.I like the way vegas gives the fade curves making the
takes more smooth with no editing!!Try it!!!
Also other programs tend to have to many mouse clicks and keystrokes
to get one thing done!Vegas is pretty simple which is what you want
in a PRO situation!!!I am going to end up purchasing the Vegas just
so we can cut our biggest artist on it;kinda to prove those who
disagree wrong!ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
test last month.I was there!!!Protools is not the answer for everyone.
Just because the industry praises it doesn't make a recording better!
Gee that is why we have indy labels because we are rebellious.Isn't
it?
Use what ever the hell you want and be a Pro yourself.In the real
music biz your attitude would get you nothing.
25years and still going strong in the music industry.

Goodday
David W. Ruby
DR DR Productions

irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a
>>>>PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed.
>>>>
>>>>But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when compared,
>>>>unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature
multitrack/editing
>>>>tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool, and a
>>money
>>>>maker, in a commercial recording facility.
>>>>
>>>>>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>>>
>>>>Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
>>>>$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself many
>>>>times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software
purchased
>>in
>>>>the past twenty years had the same return on investment that VP
has
>>>>demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)
>>>>
>>>>>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
>>>>
>>>>IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
>>>>that "deal". :)
>>>>
>>>>>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
>>>>
>>>>Of course it can ... Absolutely!
>>>>
>>>>VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of a
>>hammer,
>>>>you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I can't
>>attest
>>>>to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in what
>>anyone
>>>>would agree is a "professional environment". I would even go so
far
>>>>as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be missing
>>>>because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it can do
>>in
>>>>that type of environment. :)
>>>>
>>>>Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with just
Vegas
>>>>Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with any
>>other
>>>>multi-track software program available at 10 times the price.
>>>>
>>>>>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal" spelling,
>>guys!)?
>>>>
>>>>I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC
>>generated
>>>>from SMPTE.
>>>>
>>>>>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and not
>>Vegas
>>>>>>Pro v2.0?
>>>>
>>>>It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at all.
>>>>AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video are
>>>>being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I don't
>>>>really care what they call Version 2.
>>>>
>>>>>>Legitimate questions with no answers...
>>>>
>>>>While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe that
if
>>>>you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
>>>>your "professional environment", you would eventually see what a
>>>>great tool it can actually be in one. :)
>>>>
>>>>KAC ...
>>>>
>>
>>SLOWLY, the truth is coming out...
>>
>>Check your OWN previous posts, and you begin to see the whole
picture.
>>
>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
>>No PROFESSIONAL sync.
>>Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
>>Isn't it true that most people have to record with Cubase/Cakewalk,
>>etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
>>C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
>>How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these
CRITICAL
>>limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can
compare
>>with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in totally
>>different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all along
is
>>that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, what
Sonic
>>Foundry would like people to believe it is.
>>Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
>>Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress the fact
>>that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.
>>
>>As far as your assertion that it can be used in a professional
>>environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used in a
>>professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that you
can
>>use toilet paper to record your music...
>>
>>Still, no answers...
>>
>>

David W. Ruby wrote:
>>I have been trying it for quite sometime off and on and I feel it
has
>>really come to light now.I own a very pro studio my friend and do
use
>>SAWPRO for a living recording indy bands!Vegaspro has been a sweet
>>piece to work with once you use the keyboard short cuts.Punching in
>>on the fly?How much work did you put into trying the program my
>>friend?I did a full recording session with the vegas and it was no
>>big deal to mark the sections we needed to comp into.Matter of fact
>>it was refreshing!!!!!Sawpro and others do on the fly dropping
in,but
>>they also usually leave you to edit the spot of the drop in due to
>>zero crossing.I like the way vegas gives the fade curves making the
>>takes more smooth with no editing!!Try it!!!
>>Also other programs tend to have to many mouse clicks and
keystrokes
>>to get one thing done!Vegas is pretty simple which is what you want
>>in a PRO situation!!!I am going to end up purchasing the Vegas just
>>so we can cut our biggest artist on it;kinda to prove those who
>>disagree wrong!ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
>>test last month.I was there!!!Protools is not the answer for
everyone.
>>Just because the industry praises it doesn't make a recording
better!
>>Gee that is why we have indy labels because we are rebellious.Isn't
>>it?
>>Use what ever the hell you want and be a Pro yourself.In the real
>>music biz your attitude would get you nothing.
>>25years and still going strong in the music industry.
>>
>>Goodday
>>David W. Ruby
>>DR DR Productions
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a
>>>>>>PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when compared,
>>>>>>unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature
>>multitrack/editing
>>>>>>tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool, and a
>>>>money
>>>>>>maker, in a commercial recording facility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
>>>>>>$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself
many
>>>>>>times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software
>>purchased
>>>>in
>>>>>>the past twenty years had the same return on investment that VP
>>has
>>>>>>demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
>>>>>>that "deal". :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course it can ... Absolutely!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of a
>>>>hammer,
>>>>>>you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I can't
>>>>attest
>>>>>>to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in what
>>>>anyone
>>>>>>would agree is a "professional environment". I would even go so
>>far
>>>>>>as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be
missing
>>>>>>because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it can
do
>>>>in
>>>>>>that type of environment. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with just
>>Vegas
>>>>>>Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with any
>>>>other
>>>>>>multi-track software program available at 10 times the price.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal" spelling,
>>>>guys!)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC
>>>>generated
>>>>>>from SMPTE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and not
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>Pro v2.0?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at all.
>>>>>>AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video
are
>>>>>>being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I
don't
>>>>>>really care what they call Version 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Legitimate questions with no answers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe that
>>if
>>>>>>you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
>>>>>>your "professional environment", you would eventually see what
a
>>>>>>great tool it can actually be in one. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KAC ...
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>SLOWLY, the truth is coming out...
>>>>
>>>>Check your OWN previous posts, and you begin to see the whole
>>picture.
>>>>
>>>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
>>>>No PROFESSIONAL sync.
>>>>Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
>>>>Isn't it true that most people have to record with
Cubase/Cakewalk,
>>>>etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
>>>>C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
>>>>How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these
>>CRITICAL
>>>>limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can
>>compare
>>>>with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in totally
>>>>different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all along
>>is
>>>>that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, what
>>Sonic
>>>>Foundry would like people to believe it is.
>>>>Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
>>>>Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress the
fact
>>>>that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.
>>>>
>>>>As far as your assertion that it can be used in a professional
>>>>environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used in a
>>>>professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that you
>>can
>>>>use toilet paper to record your music...
>>>>
>>>>Still, no answers...
>>>>
>>>>

Take it easy, Rubie.

My attitude? One of objectivity. Pure and simple.
Your sensibility wouldn't be offended if you were a little more
honest.
Admit, like Karl did, that Vegas is NOT a true multitracker.
Vegas is VERY GOOD at mixing ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR SOUND FILES IN THE
HARD DRIVE!!!
Vegas SHOULD be ACID v3.0.
Trying to deny the obvious just makes you appear foolish. Statements
like 'ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
test last month.I was there' only show your ignorance. Because, among
other things, if that were the case, you wouldn't have any use for
Vegas Pro.
Also, after 25 years of "pro" experience
plus ownership of a "very pro" (read $12/hr) studio, recording indie
(read "no deal in sight") bands, it's very sad that you will "end up
buying" Vegas to "cut" your "biggest artist on it".
BTW,would you dare disclose the name of your "biggest artist" after
25 years in the business?. Pathetic...

No real answers, yet.

But do not despair, my friends: Eight is nothing, but a zero with a
tight belt!

Try a little harder...

Why do you try to force other users - perhaps satisfied users - to
share your opinion? Do you have nothing better to do? And no, I don't
want to answer your in detail. I simply disagree with you.

SamTee


>>Take it easy, Rubie.
>>
>>My attitude? One of objectivity. Pure and simple.
>>Your sensibility wouldn't be offended if you were a little more
>>honest.
>>Admit, like Karl did, that Vegas is NOT a true multitracker.
>>Vegas is VERY GOOD at mixing ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR SOUND FILES IN THE
>>HARD DRIVE!!!
>>Vegas SHOULD be ACID v3.0.
>>Trying to deny the obvious just makes you appear foolish.
Statements
>>like 'ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
>>test last month.I was there' only show your ignorance. Because,
among
>>other things, if that were the case, you wouldn't have any use for
>>Vegas Pro.
>>Also, after 25 years of "pro" experience
>>plus ownership of a "very pro" (read $12/hr) studio, recording
indie
>>(read "no deal in sight") bands, it's very sad that you will "end
up
>>buying" Vegas to "cut" your "biggest artist on it".
>>BTW,would you dare disclose the name of your "biggest artist" after
>>25 years in the business?. Pathetic...
>>
>>No real answers, yet.
>>
>>But do not despair, my friends: Eight is nothing, but a zero with a
>>tight belt!
>>
>>Try a little harder...
>>

Your ignorance is inviting to us all,but enjoy yourself all you
want.Move on to a new forum eh?!!!!!!

irvin gomez wrote:
>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>I have been trying it for quite sometime off and on and I feel it
>>has
>>>>really come to light now.I own a very pro studio my friend and do
>>use
>>>>SAWPRO for a living recording indy bands!Vegaspro has been a
sweet
>>>>piece to work with once you use the keyboard short cuts.Punching
in
>>>>on the fly?How much work did you put into trying the program my
>>>>friend?I did a full recording session with the vegas and it was
no
>>>>big deal to mark the sections we needed to comp into.Matter of
fact
>>>>it was refreshing!!!!!Sawpro and others do on the fly dropping
>>in,but
>>>>they also usually leave you to edit the spot of the drop in due
to
>>>>zero crossing.I like the way vegas gives the fade curves making
the
>>>>takes more smooth with no editing!!Try it!!!
>>>>Also other programs tend to have to many mouse clicks and
>>keystrokes
>>>>to get one thing done!Vegas is pretty simple which is what you
want
>>>>in a PRO situation!!!I am going to end up purchasing the Vegas
just
>>>>so we can cut our biggest artist on it;kinda to prove those who
>>>>disagree wrong!ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
>>>>test last month.I was there!!!Protools is not the answer for
>>everyone.
>>>>Just because the industry praises it doesn't make a recording
>>better!
>>>>Gee that is why we have indy labels because we are
rebellious.Isn't
>>>>it?
>>>>Use what ever the hell you want and be a Pro yourself.In the real
>>>>music biz your attitude would get you nothing.
>>>>25years and still going strong in the music industry.
>>>>
>>>>Goodday
>>>>David W. Ruby
>>>>DR DR Productions
>>>>
>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is a
>>>>>>>>PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when
compared,
>>>>>>>>unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature
>>>>multitrack/editing
>>>>>>>>tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool, and
a
>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>>maker, in a commercial recording facility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
>>>>>>>>$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself
>>many
>>>>>>>>times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software
>>>>purchased
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the past twenty years had the same return on investment that
VP
>>>>has
>>>>>>>>demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
>>>>>>>>that "deal". :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Of course it can ... Absolutely!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of a
>>>>>>hammer,
>>>>>>>>you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I can't
>>>>>>attest
>>>>>>>>to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in
what
>>>>>>anyone
>>>>>>>>would agree is a "professional environment". I would even go
so
>>>>far
>>>>>>>>as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be
>>missing
>>>>>>>>because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it
can
>>do
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>that type of environment. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with just
>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with
any
>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>multi-track software program available at 10 times the price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal"
spelling,
>>>>>>guys!)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC
>>>>>>generated
>>>>>>>>from SMPTE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and
not
>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>Pro v2.0?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at
all.
>>>>>>>>AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video
>>are
>>>>>>>>being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I
>>don't
>>>>>>>>really care what they call Version 2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Legitimate questions with no answers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe
that
>>>>if
>>>>>>>>you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
>>>>>>>>your "professional environment", you would eventually see
what
>>a
>>>>>>>>great tool it can actually be in one. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>KAC ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SLOWLY, the truth is coming out...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Check your OWN previous posts, and you begin to see the whole
>>>>picture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
>>>>>>No PROFESSIONAL sync.
>>>>>>Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
>>>>>>Isn't it true that most people have to record with
>>Cubase/Cakewalk,
>>>>>>etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
>>>>>>C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
>>>>>>How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these
>>>>CRITICAL
>>>>>>limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can
>>>>compare
>>>>>>with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in
totally
>>>>>>different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all
along
>>>>is
>>>>>>that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, what
>>>>Sonic
>>>>>>Foundry would like people to believe it is.
>>>>>>Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
>>>>>>Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress the
>>fact
>>>>>>that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as your assertion that it can be used in a professional
>>>>>>environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used in
a
>>>>>>professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that
you
>>>>can
>>>>>>use toilet paper to record your music...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still, no answers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>Take it easy, Rubie.
>>
>>My attitude? One of objectivity. Pure and simple.
>>Your sensibility wouldn't be offended if you were a little more
>>honest.
>>Admit, like Karl did, that Vegas is NOT a true multitracker.
>>Vegas is VERY GOOD at mixing ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR SOUND FILES IN THE
>>HARD DRIVE!!!
>>Vegas SHOULD be ACID v3.0.
>>Trying to deny the obvious just makes you appear foolish.
Statements
>>like 'ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
>>test last month.I was there' only show your ignorance. Because,
among
>>other things, if that were the case, you wouldn't have any use for
>>Vegas Pro.
>>Also, after 25 years of "pro" experience
>>plus ownership of a "very pro" (read $12/hr) studio, recording
indie
>>(read "no deal in sight") bands, it's very sad that you will "end
up
>>buying" Vegas to "cut" your "biggest artist on it".
>>BTW,would you dare disclose the name of your "biggest artist" after
>>25 years in the business?. Pathetic...
>>
>>No real answers, yet.
>>
>>But do not despair, my friends: Eight is nothing, but a zero with a
>>tight belt!
>>
>>Try a little harder...
>>

David W. Ruby wrote:
>>Your ignorance is inviting to us all,but enjoy yourself all you
>>want.Move on to a new forum eh?!!!!!!
>>
>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>I have been trying it for quite sometime off and on and I feel
it
>>>>has
>>>>>>really come to light now.I own a very pro studio my friend and
do
>>>>use
>>>>>>SAWPRO for a living recording indy bands!Vegaspro has been a
>>sweet
>>>>>>piece to work with once you use the keyboard short
cuts.Punching
>>in
>>>>>>on the fly?How much work did you put into trying the program my
>>>>>>friend?I did a full recording session with the vegas and it was
>>no
>>>>>>big deal to mark the sections we needed to comp into.Matter of
>>fact
>>>>>>it was refreshing!!!!!Sawpro and others do on the fly dropping
>>>>in,but
>>>>>>they also usually leave you to edit the spot of the drop in due
>>to
>>>>>>zero crossing.I like the way vegas gives the fade curves making
>>the
>>>>>>takes more smooth with no editing!!Try it!!!
>>>>>>Also other programs tend to have to many mouse clicks and
>>>>keystrokes
>>>>>>to get one thing done!Vegas is pretty simple which is what you
>>want
>>>>>>in a PRO situation!!!I am going to end up purchasing the Vegas
>>just
>>>>>>so we can cut our biggest artist on it;kinda to prove those who
>>>>>>disagree wrong!ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in
a
>>>>>>test last month.I was there!!!Protools is not the answer for
>>>>everyone.
>>>>>>Just because the industry praises it doesn't make a recording
>>>>better!
>>>>>>Gee that is why we have indy labels because we are
>>rebellious.Isn't
>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>Use what ever the hell you want and be a Pro yourself.In the
real
>>>>>>music biz your attitude would get you nothing.
>>>>>>25years and still going strong in the music industry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Goodday
>>>>>>David W. Ruby
>>>>>>DR DR Productions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>irvin gomez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The truth is very simple and UNAVOIDABLE: Vegas "Pro" is
a
>>>>>>>>>>PROMISING multitracker with MANY LIMITATIONS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But, in my experience, despite VP's limitations (when
>>compared,
>>>>>>>>>>unfairly IMO, to similarly based and more mature
>>>>>>multitrack/editing
>>>>>>>>>>tools like Pro Tools) it can be an extremely useful tool,
and
>>a
>>>>>>>>money
>>>>>>>>>>maker, in a commercial recording facility.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At $599.00, it's TOO EXPENSIVE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very few pay that much ... the street price seems to be +/-
>>>>>>>>>>$400.00 ... and at that price Vegas Pro has paid for itself
>>>>many
>>>>>>>>>>times over. I would wish that all the equipment/software
>>>>>>purchased
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>the past twenty years had the same return on investment
that
>>VP
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>>>>>demonstrated in the past 10 months or so. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At $39.95, it's a FAIR DEAL.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>IMO, and at that price, "fair" would not begin to describe
>>>>>>>>>>that "deal". :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can it be used in a PROFESSIONAL environment? No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Of course it can ... Absolutely!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>VP is a tool, and just as with a master carpenter's use of
a
>>>>>>>>hammer,
>>>>>>>>>>you can certainly get "professional" results with it. I
can't
>>>>>>>>attest
>>>>>>>>>>to how others use the program, but we certainly use it in
>>what
>>>>>>>>anyone
>>>>>>>>>>would agree is a "professional environment". I would even
go
>>so
>>>>>>far
>>>>>>>>>>as to say that it has given us an edge that others may be
>>>>missing
>>>>>>>>>>because of misconceptions due to ignorance of just what it
>>can
>>>>do
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>that type of environment. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Would I try to run a commercial recording facility with
just
>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>Pro? Of course not ... but neither would I attempt to with
>>any
>>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>>>multi-track software program available at 10 times the
price.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can it sync to SEMPTE ( I just love the "personal"
>>spelling,
>>>>>>>>guys!)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I replied to you e-mail about how we sync Vegas Pro to MTC
>>>>>>>>generated
>>>>>>>>>>from SMPTE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Why is Vegas "Pro" being phased out? Why Vegas Audio and
>>not
>>>>>>>>Vegas
>>>>>>>>>>>>Pro v2.0?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It was not my impression that it was being "phased out" at
>>all.
>>>>>>>>>>AAMOF, it appears to me that both Vegas Audio and Vegas
Video
>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>being built upon the very foundation of Vegas Pro ... and I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>>>really care what they call Version 2.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Legitimate questions with no answers...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>While I've tried to supply you with some, I really believe
>>that
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>>>>you didn't try to use Vegas Pro as the sole basis for
>>>>>>>>>>your "professional environment", you would eventually see
>>what
>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>great tool it can actually be in one. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>KAC ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>SLOWLY, the truth is coming out...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Check your OWN previous posts, and you begin to see the whole
>>>>>>picture.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible. NO punch-in/out on the fly.
>>>>>>>>No PROFESSIONAL sync.
>>>>>>>>Don't even mention LATENCY. SonicFoundry may sue you!!!!
>>>>>>>>Isn't it true that most people have to record with
>>>>Cubase/Cakewalk,
>>>>>>>>etc and THEN transfer tracks to Vegas to mix?
>>>>>>>>C'mon, Karl. Let's keep it honest.
>>>>>>>>How can you attach the word PRO to a multitracker with these
>>>>>>CRITICAL
>>>>>>>>limitations? The real topic here is not whether Vegas Pro can
>>>>>>compare
>>>>>>>>with high-end systems like Pro-Tools, because they are in
>>totally
>>>>>>>>different leagues. The point I have been trying to make all
>>along
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>that Vegas Pro is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination,
what
>>>>>>Sonic
>>>>>>>>Foundry would like people to believe it is.
>>>>>>>>Vegas Pro is VERY SIMILAR to the "Audio Montage" feature in
>>>>>>>>Steinberg's Wavelab 3. Yet, the people at Steinberg stress
the
>>>>fact
>>>>>>>>that Audio Montage is NOT a REAL MULTITRACKER. That is honest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>As far as your assertion that it can be used in a
professional
>>>>>>>>environment: yes, it can, just like toilet paper can be used
in
>>a
>>>>>>>>professional recording studio. However, it doesn't mean that
>>you
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>use toilet paper to record your music...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still, no answers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Take it easy, Rubie.
>>>>
>>>>My attitude? One of objectivity. Pure and simple.
>>>>Your sensibility wouldn't be offended if you were a little more
>>>>honest.
>>>>Admit, like Karl did, that Vegas is NOT a true multitracker.
>>>>Vegas is VERY GOOD at mixing ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR SOUND FILES IN
THE
>>>>HARD DRIVE!!!
>>>>Vegas SHOULD be ACID v3.0.
>>>>Trying to deny the obvious just makes you appear foolish.
>>Statements
>>>>like 'ProTools took a major ass kicking from SAWPRO in a
>>>>test last month.I was there' only show your ignorance. Because,
>>among
>>>>other things, if that were the case, you wouldn't have any use
for
>>>>Vegas Pro.
>>>>Also, after 25 years of "pro" experience
>>>>plus ownership of a "very pro" (read $12/hr) studio, recording
>>indie
>>>>(read "no deal in sight") bands, it's very sad that you will "end
>>up
>>>>buying" Vegas to "cut" your "biggest artist on it".
>>>>BTW,would you dare disclose the name of your "biggest artist"
after
>>>>25 years in the business?. Pathetic...
>>>>
>>>>No real answers, yet.
>>>>
>>>>But do not despair, my friends: Eight

Well, if it's attention you want, you've got it. Considering your
attitude and firm decision to grind Vegas in the dirt, I guess we
shouldn't waste our time. Still I have a few points to make.

* The topics such as SMPTE sync, punch in / out, the DirectX-on-
busses-only and so on, are all valid points of discussion. If
backtrack the forum you'll discover that most of these topics have
been covered before.

I for one have found very simple workarounds for all these topics,
and in a few cases they have actually made my work more efficient.
For example, arranging your plugins in a Bus / Assignable FX
structure instead of individual Track FX'es is much more similar to a
physical mixing desk, and reduces CPU payload aswell as mental
confusion. Just an example.

* Your agressiveness is very unprofessional lookning, and while I do
not consider myself "pro" (or PROFESSIONAL as you choose to call it)
I can clearly see that you've got quite a long ground to cover before
you'd be considered pro, in terms of sheer politeness and respect of
other people's efforts.

* As Peter Haller so correctly pointed out, there's no law forcing
you to buy Vegas. If there are features you'd like to see in it, you
may mention them to the developers, and they might include it in the
next version, if there is enough demand, economical substance and
most of all; if it's possible. I'd rather run a quick, basic and
smooth Vegas than a cluttered, CPU-intense and instable one. If you
want clutter, buy a Steinberg product.

* Digital Audio Workstations have a lot of ground to cover. After
all, the poor CPU has to cope with user interaction, graphical data
and audio processing at the same time, and this takes its toll. If
you're interested in the ultimate reliability, real-time punch in (is
there such a thing as step-time punch in, BTW? =) and SCHEMPTTE sync,
there are a lot of hardware solutions to choose from. At twenty times
the price. Go figure.

Now, if this mass of text is too much for you, I can sum my entire
entry in a few simple sentences:

Many people like Vegas. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you
won't buy it, shut up. You're annoying many people.

irvin gomez wrote:

>>SERIOUS RECORDING is not possible.

Vegas has paid for itself many times over with SERIOUS money. It is
the best buy in my studio for what it does and the time it saves in
certain situations. It is a God-send for comping vocals.

There is an "Irvin" on every good audio forum. You try to
relate, but in the end just have to ignore. No one has ever hired me
for my tools. They hire me for what they hear in the end. Vegas
happens to be one of my tools but it won't keep me in business. No
tool will. I see studios close here in town all the town with the
nicest gear you can imagine....Hone your craft, and your
relationships.

Kevin Perry
Chameleon Music
Sound Impressions Mastering
Nashville, TN

Johan Althoff wrote:
>>Well, if it's attention you want, you've got it. Considering your
>>attitude and firm decision to grind Vegas in the dirt, I guess we
>>shouldn't waste our time. Still I have a few points to make.
>>
>>* The topics such as SMPTE sync, punch in / out, the DirectX-on-
>>busses-only and so on, are all valid points of discussion. If
>>backtrack the forum you'll discover that most of these topics have
>>been covered before.
>>
>>I for one have found very simple workarounds for all these topics,
>>and in a few cases they have actually made my work more efficient.
>>For example, arranging your plugins in a Bus / Assignable FX
>>structure instead of individual Track FX'es is much more similar to
a
>>physical mixing desk, and reduces CPU payload aswell as mental
>>confusion. Just an example.
>>
>>* Your agressiveness is very unprofessional lookning, and while I do
>>not consider myself "pro" (or PROFESSIONAL as you choose to call it)
>>I can clearly see that you've got quite a long ground to cover
before
>>you'd be considered pro, in terms of sheer politeness and respect of
>>other people's efforts.
>>
>>* As Peter Haller so correctly pointed out, there's no law forcing
>>you to buy Vegas. If there are features you'd like to see in it, you
>>may mention them to the developers, and they might include it in the
>>next version, if there is enough demand, economical substance and
>>most of all; if it's possible. I'd rather run a quick, basic and
>>smooth Vegas than a cluttered, CPU-intense and instable one. If you
>>want clutter, buy a Steinberg product.
>>
>>* Digital Audio Workstations have a lot of ground to cover. After
>>all, the poor CPU has to cope with user interaction, graphical data
>>and audio processing at the same time, and this takes its toll. If
>>you're interested in the ultimate reliability, real-time punch in
(is
>>there such a thing as step-time punch in, BTW? =) and SCHEMPTTE
sync,
>>there are a lot of hardware solutions to choose from. At twenty
times
>>the price. Go figure.
>>
>>Now, if this mass of text is too much for you, I can sum my entire
>>entry in a few simple sentences:
>>
>>Many people like Vegas. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you
>>won't buy it, shut up. You're annoying many people.

Sorry, Johy, to have "annoyed" too many people. The truth has that
ugly quality.
The only way I can make up for my "agressivnees" is by admitting to
the fact that Vegas Pro really does what we know I doesn't do!!!
The topic has never been whether you or anyone else is satisfied with
Vegas. You're probably satisfied with many things that other people
wouldn't be satisfied with, and viceversa; the REAL topic here is WHAT
DOES VEGAS PRO GIVE TO USER FOR THEIR MONEY?
DOES IT WORK AS ADVERTISED?
Attacking me just makes you look foolish. The ONLY way you would make
me feel or look bad is by refuting my points. Any other way is just a
little more stress to your heart.

No answers, yet.

Have a good stereo day, boys.

Kevin Perry wrote:
>>There is an "Irvin" on every good audio forum. You try to
>>relate, but in the end just have to ignore. No one has ever hired
me
>>for my tools. They hire me for what they hear in the end. Vegas
>>happens to be one of my tools but it won't keep me in business. No
>>tool will. I see studios close here in town all the town with the
>>nicest gear you can imagine....Hone your craft, and your
>>relationships.
>>
>>Kevin Perry
>>Chameleon Music
>>Sound Impressions Mastering
>>Nashville, TN
>>
>>
And there's a "Little Perry" in every Shittown,USA, dreaming of
greatness...
Keep "honing" in your shack...

Still no answers...

Irvin:
I deleted your message because we do not appreciate people
posting links to pirated copies of our software, just like I'll
delete anybody elses message that posts links to illegal software
sites, either related or not related to our products.

We are all entitled to our own opionons on what is professional and
what is not, but this is getting a bit out of hand - especially when
we start resorting to spelling mistakes and grammatical errors as a
cause to discredit somebody.

Some of us like using Vegas, and some of us do not.

That's okay.

Thanks.


irvin gomez wrote:
>>
>>
>>Kevin Perry wrote:
>>>>There is an "Irvin" on every good audio forum. You try to
>>>>relate, but in the end just have to ignore. No one has ever
hired
>>me
>>>>for my tools. They hire me for what they hear in the end.
Vegas
>>>>happens to be one of my tools but it won't keep me in business.
No
>>>>tool will. I see studios close here in town all the town with
the
>>>>nicest gear you can imagine....Hone your craft, and your
>>>>relationships.
>>>>
>>>>Kevin Perry
>>>>Chameleon Music
>>>>Sound Impressions Mastering
>>>>Nashville, TN
>>>>
>>>>
>>And there's a "Little Perry" in every Shittown,USA, dreaming of
>>greatness...
>>Keep "honing" in your shack...
>>
>>Still no answers...