Simply someone clicked on Report Abuse.

Granted you may have posted a link to a video that someone else created
and you have no control of but had something that was offensive.
Anyone (of any age) can read these forums and follow links.

Recently the forum was attacked by new posters that really violated the terms
of use. Personally It made me sick to think that creative minds could resort to
personal attacks.

I post ideas that may not work and get negative feedback but that is actually
helpful to keep me going down a path that would dead end and cost me money
and/or time.

Keep on being creative and sharing your ideas.

I played your link at work and was fortunate I had a headset connected. It would not have been cool had the audio been heard by others around me.

With the way companies are about inappropriate Emails and such, I stopped playing the video before it finished. A warning would have been nice.

I, for one, am glad they removed your link. Regardless of how amazing the graphics were, it wasn't appropriate for this forum, IMO.

hey Ray.. looks like they pulled your comment from that thread too - I was hoping to find that link - I'm not easily offended, and always looking for inspirational stuff ;-]

Maybe you could send it to me off-list - andymac 'at' sonicstate.com.

Btw, found your vids on Vimeo recently when searching for Letus examples - some great stuff there. And just watched 'Before He Trades'... nice ;-]

And for another truly inspirational piece, try this...
http://www.vimeo.com/993998?pg=embed&sec=993998

It really is an incredible visual achievement.

Andy Mac

There's some perverse hall monitors that lurk around here.
Definately not the place for creative people it used to be.

Bob.

If you can't be creative without being offensive maybe you're not being creative at all. Of course offensive may be in the eyes of the beholder. A warning would be nice if content might be considered offensive.

I think it's fair enough to for someone to say that a warning would have been nice. I would have had no problem with saying "Hey Ray, you might want to put a NSFW on that" or "You might want to warn people there's cursing." But for someone to go to the length to report me is simply gutless.

To be clear, it was not my clip, it was audio from "The Big Lebowski" that someone else had animated with text. Honestly I thought nothing of it. As I read the thread "Beautiful Title I have ever seen" that clip came to mind as a clip that had impressed me with it's brilliant use of motion graphics/animated text/typography.

While I find it completely immature for someone in a "supposed" creative community to have reported the link and have it removed instead of just publicly expressing their concern or opinion, for this to have gone so far as to have "a warning on your forum account" as if I am some sort of terrorist is just beyond the pale. There was no precedence for this. I have posted quite a few clips and/or music video's that I created that had an abundance of "colorful metaphor", though in those instances I do believe I mentioned a content warning of sorts. And, as I stated previously, you can do a search of these forums and readily find that foul language has been used in the past and remains unedited, unaltered, and I would imagine without those users being placed on a watch list. This is pathetic.

- Ray
Some of my stuff on Vimeo
www.undergroundplanet.com

as we all know what is offensive to one may not be to others,, creative or not.
I saw it and thought it was great,, but I wasn't in some workplace where i should not have been on this forum anyway. I find the political sh%t way more offensive and totally unrelated to vegas than The Big Lebowski ,
forget about it muttley

"as if I am some sort of terrorist is just beyond the pale."

LOL.

You're not a terrorist and I think a warning was a little uncalled for. IMO...those who felt offended should have simply stated so and given you the opportunity to correct it yourself.

Personally speaking, I find that using the "abuse" button before one has come forward and stated that they feel offended.... is a wee bit spineless and cowardly.

I think some part of the problem is that some people do not honestly know what is offensive. I think that certain actions or certain words or phrases are considered offensive by the majority of society. But there are groups of people that use these actions or words possibly on a daily basis and they have been ingrained in the groups that the7y associate with. They have lost the realization that their actions may be offensive to others. Or possibly they simply do not care. I personaly take offense at sitting in a restaurant with my family and having to hear a profane discussion going on, usually quite loudly, at a nearby table. Should I (we) have to get up and leave because these people are insensitive to the feelings of others or are we being too provincial and denying these people the freedomj of expression? Pitched battles have been fought over these questions and we won't settle the issue on these forums. If someone writes " what the f@#$ are you doing". We all know and probably say to ourselves the intended word as we read it but the person that wrote it knows that it is an offensive word and has 'shock' value and wanted to use it but in a relatively inoffensive way (maybe) I for one hope that this discussion does not go on and that we just try to issue warnings if we direct people to a site that may be offensive. You just have to realize that it may be offensive to do that. Might be a tough call.

BTW I'm not sure but I doon't think its a felony, just a misdemeanorand won't stay on your record for life.;>)

"They have lost the realization that their actions may be offensive to others. Or possibly they simply do not care."

OR.... just maybe there are those who are just a bit TOO sensitive? Muttley did not exactly write "what the f@#$ are you doing"

It may be a double standard of some sort but, in private, I'm as profane as anybody. However, in public, I'm not. I consider this forum to be "public" and am offended when someone litters a post with language which I consider to be inappropriate for the venue. To me, it's classless and disrespectful. There are a few members of the forum which do this pretty regularly, Ray (Muttley) is not one of them.

"Ray (Muttley) is not one of them."

My point exactly.

Again, in amazement, I'm in agreement with Blink, John CLine, and a few others that Ray's posting it self was not offense. I was surprise and quickly put the headphones on when I played the link because my teenagers were cruising by. A little warning would have been nice but no "hand slapping" is required. I was just reminded to be more careful about pointing and clicking ;-)

I better check the old CO and CO2 sensors, I'm agreeing with Blink way too much.... ;-) or maybe Blink should check his CO & CO2 sensors--- ;-) ......maybe not ;-)

"I better check the old CO and CO2 sensors, I'm agreeing with Blink way too much.... ;-) or maybe Blink should check his CO & CO2 sensors--- ;-) ......maybe not ;-)"

Yeah, it really stinks when this happens.... why, I even think it's enough to make a man swear like he...... ck! ;)

holy crap... there was AUDIO in that video? I had my speakers turned off & diodn't bother turning them on as it was a thread about visual titles! :D

I'm not sure if I had my speakers on or not. I know that I didn't notice anything offensive, but then again, it didn't have to anything to do with trying to convert me to Christianity or conservative propaganda...

And sincerely I do apologize for the lack of a "NSFW" above the link, that was an oversight on my part.

That said I am still just besides myself. I don't doubt I'm flogging a dead horse already but I am absolutely taken aback. To be singled out and reprimanded over a link to a video because of "foul language" is simply galling and to be placed on a "a warning on your forum account" is nothing less than unacceptable. Now I need to feel as though I'm on thin ice over this? For linking to a video to share with others something that I saw as a incredible use of text?

So even though "foul language" has been used on the forums, even though I have posted links to my work that had "foul language" in the past without incident, I don't get any benefit of the doubt, I don't get any redirection, they don't just remove the link and say "Link removed for ....", they don't say that it should have had a warning, they essentially threaten my account and/or access to the boards, or at least that's what I read into it. Why isn't there a filter on the forums to safeguard against curse words if were suddenly saying that that is absolutely unacceptable. And none of this even touches on the artistic nature argument of the censorship that is being implemented. Forgive me if I seem to be over reacting but I am just appalled that I am made to feel as though I 'm walking on eggshells over this. I've been a member here far quite awhile now and think it's completely uncalled-for to be treated in such a way over something so insignificant.

So as there was no mention of my account being placed on a warning because of a lack of a disclaimer/warning it is my understanding that from this point forward there should be no "foul language" or links to anything that contain "foul language" under any circumstance or for any reason whatsoever.

And on a side note I would absolutely love to know who it was that reported me. As I stated before, just gutless.

- Ray
Some of my stuff on Vimeo
www.undergroundplanet.com

P.S. I truly appreciate those who have expressed some degree of understanding or support.

IMHO, what you did wasn't abuse. Abuse is when two jerks do nothing but be jerks on the forum. Pointing to a video & saying "check that out, it's cool" & then having everything you posted in the thread deleted & you're told "do it again & you're finished"?

i would of thought the admin's here took more pride in the forums! Ironically, we could post info about a PS3 game with swearing, blood, guts, sex, violence, etc. if the cut scenes were edited in vegas, or the audio, & nothing would happen.

It sounds like someone played it at work and got in trouble.

What were they doing playing it at work and not working?

I need a signature line "Warning, my crap may be offensive to you. Tough, you have been warned"

Just in case.

". To be singled out and reprimanded......"

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say you were singled out. I had a gutless wonder hit the abuse button on me a couple of weeks back for posting a link to a competitor product.

"It sounds like someone played it at work and got in trouble.

Yes... and of course these self righteous people will hang you in a minute for what THEY perceive as abuse, but try to tell them they're abusing company time and company machines......

These kinds of people just burn me right up. The same kind of person that scowls at the idea of a thief, but then they have a 'sane, rational and logical' reason as to why their desk at HOME is littered with company pens, pencils, white-out....etc.

I have no problem with anyone being conservative, religious, republican, etc, there are plenty out there who have the maturity to handle hearing a curse word without flipping out. I think most people in general have the mental faculties to deal with and process words/images, especially when presented in an artistic context, and not become a shear and utter whiny pantywaist. I don't want to generalize this thread to the extent that the issue gets lost in the mix. My issue is with only with the cowardly user that reported me instead of simply posting their objection and the moderators of the forum who chose to put me on notice and delete my post when there has been no precedent that I am aware of that this is grounds for having "a warning on your forum account."

- Ray
Some of my stuff on Vimeo
www.undergroundplanet.com