sony editing on the cloud

Kimberly wrote on 11/23/2013, 8:10 AM

Nooooooo!

There is no cloud. It's just a really big room somewhere with big servers that have mind numbing storage capability. The room has super efficient cooling because all those servers are going to be hot. From time to time real people go in and out of the room to check on the servers, ensure data integrity and back-up regimens are running, and so on. That's the cloud.

People talk about the cloud like it's some magical place up in the sky. It's a piece of hardware in a room. Only it's fancier and costs more than my hardware.

I hate the cloud. End of rant.

set wrote on 11/23/2013, 8:45 AM

Cloud?
NO..., slow Connection is a problem for me.

wwjd wrote on 11/23/2013, 8:53 AM

come on, Kimberly. We've all been using the cloud for a couple decades via EMAIL.
THIS FORUM is on the cloud. Most of the internet is the cloud.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. :)

I rather enjoy not fretting over hardware and backups on my end.

Gary James wrote on 11/23/2013, 8:54 AM

"It's just a really big room somewhere with big servers that have mind numbing storage capability:

Compared to the National Security Agency's new 5 Zettabyte data storage facility in Utah, this looks like an old Tandy TRS-80. 5 Zettabytes = 5 Billion Terabytes.

rraud wrote on 11/23/2013, 10:01 AM

SCS is going to team up with the Obamacare designers to make VP and all the apps cloud-based .

Julius_ wrote on 11/23/2013, 11:45 AM

I go places where there is no internet connection to do my instant-same-day-edits.

Cloud doesn't work for me. Period.

Kimberly wrote on 11/23/2013, 12:45 PM

Same for me Julius. No internet on the boat.

Chienworks wrote on 11/23/2013, 3:50 PM

My connection to my own hard drives is some several thousand times faster than my connection to the cloud out on the web. Even my connection to my own personal "cloud" here in my house is about a hundred times faster.

I also have nearly 10TB available here at home with no more monthly cost than a few pennies of electricity. Try to find a deal less than 10,000 times that price out in the cloud. Can't be done.

larry-peter wrote on 11/23/2013, 4:36 PM

Regardless of how the legalities eventually shake out, I don't feel I can ethically even backup any media to the cloud. I have several industrial accounts that required NDAs. I could never put confidential material in servers that I don't have physical access to.

With any footage I work with there could be copyrighted materials, personal privacy issues, child protection issues...
As long as hard drives are legal I won't be using the cloud for much.

GeeBax wrote on 11/23/2013, 4:47 PM

To me it seems an odd concept, SCS are offering the service primarily to a bunch of professionals, their customer base, who are very unlikely to ever use it. Speed wise, there are very few people who would have a connection fast enough to make it work, and those people most likely already have an adequate storage solution anyway. I just don't get it.

Serena Steuart wrote on 11/23/2013, 5:36 PM

It's not intended for editing or post, as I read it, but for real-time consultation between dispersed participants. Between, for example, editor and director after a cut has been assembled. I expect it will be demanding of internet connections, but perhaps faster turn around than posting to dropbox/vimeo/youtube with possibly better privacy.

set wrote on 11/23/2013, 7:03 PM

Well, after read the article again, I decided to try it and just sign up....

Ci's Head of Product comment in nofilmschool site:
"Also — to your earlier question about replacing individual ownership of Sony Vegas — we are

MAIN 'Heavy-part' editing should be done offline.

ushere wrote on 11/23/2013, 7:44 PM

it would seem that the more we're offered 'cloud services' in any shape or form the slower our connection speeds become ;-(

i realise that cloud services are quite viable for 'fast connections', and are / can be of great use to (corporate) users, but i doubt that many 'small' enterprises, along with 'domestic' users are unlikely to have fast / reliable / cost effective connections in the near to foreseeable future that would allow for shifting xxgb files around.

Larry Clifford wrote on 11/24/2013, 6:34 AM

I have a legal question.

Under whose jurisdiction does the cloud reside:
1. Where the servers are located?
2. Where the user is located?

If a legal entity wants to look into someone's account, where do they serve the warrant?

What legal protections are there to prevent someone from accessing your information? That in interesting in light of atom12 having to sign NDAs.

deusx wrote on 11/24/2013, 6:57 AM

The way this cloud nonsense has worked so far is that you give up ownership of everything you upload. I mean, you still own it, but so does the corporation which owns the "cloud". They can use your files any way they like. They can use it in their own media productions, they can print it out on toilet paper and wipe their asses with it. Whatever they want they can do with your files, it is in the agreement nobody reads when signing up for these things.

>>>If a legal entity wants to look into someone's account, where do they serve the warrant?<<<

You watch too much law & order.

Warrants are a smokescreen, they don't need them, they do whatever they want to do then produce warrants after the fact if they really need to maintain the appearance of lawful procedure..

Steve Mann wrote on 11/24/2013, 11:05 AM

"The way this cloud nonsense has worked so far is that you give up ownership of everything you upload."

Completely wrong.

Vimeo:
"LICENSE TO VIMEO: As between you and Vimeo, you own the video content ("videos") that you submit to the Vimeo Service. By submitting a video, you grant Vimeo and its affiliates a limited, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license and right to copy, transmit, distribute, publicly perform and display (through all media now known or hereafter created), and make derivative works from your video for the purpose of (i) displaying the video within the Vimeo Service; (ii) displaying the video on third party websites and applications through a video embed or Vimeo's API subject to your video privacy choices; (iii) allowing other users to play, download, and embed on third party websites the video, subject to your video privacy choices; (iii) promoting the Vimeo Service, provided that you have made the video publicly available; and (iv) archiving or preserving the video for disputes, legal proceedings, or investigations."

Vimeo, Google and all the public video hosting sites have language similar to this. It simply gives them license to transcode your video for various platforms. Without this license, they can't transcode your video to mobile devices, etc.