Sony's new CE toys...

Spot|DSE wrote on 7/1/2004, 9:57 PM
Who knows...maybe their Sony Music promo with McDonalds will pose a serious launch strategy. After all, those folks buying Sony songs from Mickey D's need something to store their media on...
Sony Debuts 20 Gigabyte Walkman to Silence IPod

Sony Corp. said today it is launching a Walkman digital music player capable of storing far more songs than Apple Computer Inc.'s market-leading iPod, while also undercutting iPod's price.

The Japanese consumer electronics maker said the 20-gigabyte device, which is its second hard-disk drive gadget aimed at unseating Apple and can store 13,000 songs, will be launched on July 10 in Japan, by mid-August in the United States and in September in Europe.

Dubbed the Network Walkman NW-HD1, it marks a major upgrade to the legendary Walkman brand and the announcement comes on the 25th anniversary of the introduction of Sony's groundbreaking portable music player -- July 1, 1979.

It is expected to sell for around 53,000 yen ($487) in Japan and less than $400 in the United States, Sony said, undercutting Apple's 40-gigabyte device, which sells for $499 and can hold up to 10,000 songs.

Sony said it packed more songs in a smaller storage space by using advanced compression technology.

"Sony has consistently changed the economics of the portable music player business," said Richard Dougherty, lead analyst with Envisioneering Group of Seaford, New York. "But Apple has trumped it for the past 30 months."

Because Sony uses the same 20-gigabyte hard drives across many of its product lines, including computers, it stands to benefit from massive price discounts for buying these devices in volume.

"Prices could fall by as much as 50 percent in the next 12-18 months," Dougherty said.

Sony declined to comment on sales targets. It has sold 340 million units of the Walkman over the past 25 years, including CD- and MD-based models.

Comments

stepfour wrote on 7/1/2004, 10:45 PM
Does this new Sony device further compress existing mp3 files to fit more in a smaller space, or is it a whole new format? If it is a new format, can existing mp3 files be converted to it with same quality? I must admit, I have never taken time to learn about these little music storing devices. Maybe when this one hits the street I'll try one out.
busterkeaton wrote on 7/1/2004, 11:06 PM
It's the same format that Sony uses on its minidisc players.

If you are looking at a harddisk MP3 player, I recommend taking a look at the IRIVER products.
biggles wrote on 7/2/2004, 2:10 AM
I would look at the iRiver range too - I have their iHP-120. 20G HD, external mic, optical and analogue line in and out. USB2 interface - makes capturing and transfering audio so, so easy!!!
cheroxy wrote on 7/2/2004, 6:09 AM
I'm confused at how the article says the 20GB version will hold more than the ipod. The ipod is 40GB for the 499 price mentioned in the article. That is going to have to be amazing compression to improve upon the aac file format and do more than double the space. I'd love it, but it seems too far of a stretch.
roger_74 wrote on 7/2/2004, 6:13 AM
A "Walkman digital music player" that can't play MP3s... hmm.
L25 wrote on 7/2/2004, 6:56 AM
Dell has a promotion to buy back your Ipod in exchange for their Digital Jukebox (or something like that) I just heard a radio ad, and googled this:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/4575926503757915/
tbobpage wrote on 7/2/2004, 9:23 AM
The poster above is correct -- It won't play MP3s, it uses a proprietary format which, from what I gather, isn't as nice as Apple's for the IPOD, but it IS more compact.....
Chienworks wrote on 7/2/2004, 9:45 AM
What i want from one of these gadgets is the ability to move media files in and out of it through USB as if it is an externally mounted hard drive accessible through Windows Explorer (ie. it becomes a drive letter when i connect it). I want it to play the same formats i use on my computer, such as MP3, WAV, WMA, etc. I want it to allow transfer of files with no recoding or recompression at all. (Of course, i'd also like it to be able to compress on the fly if i sent it a .WAV file and i want it to store in MP3, but that's optional since i can always do that first before sending the file.)

Without the these abilities the device is merely a cheap entertainment toy. It is lot a tool i can use for on location recording, playback, etc.

In addition to the file transfer, it should also have both analog and digital inputs and outputs. Mic level inputs would be nice too, but not essential. There should be no digital rights management garbage or any other restrictions. Such restrictions make it a toy rather than a tool, and we want tools we can use.
Cheno wrote on 7/2/2004, 12:43 PM
I know tons of iPod users that use their iPods as portable drives. I even know one guy who used his as a drive while editing on a mac. Would have to see it to believe it. As much as I like the competition... I think Apple wins hands down with iTunes.... much less intrusive than anything that's straight pc...

mike
wcoxe1 wrote on 7/2/2004, 1:10 PM
I agree with Chien. It has to be completeley DRM free, essentially an external hard drive, or it is useless to me. I just don't understand why anyone would even consider it otherwise. What is the point. Why would anyone want to buy music that is instantly destined to become obsolete.
AndyMac wrote on 7/2/2004, 3:51 PM
A while ago I bought a 20GB Archos Jukebox recorder - it has all all the features you asked for, CW - it's an MP3 player/recorder (based on MusicMatch software) which uses a USB 2.0 interface; has Line In, Digital I/O, built-in mic... and best of all, happily works as - and is seen by your comoputer as - a separate Hard Drive, with a standard file structure.

Before I succumbed to Laptop lust, it was the most useful tool I had for transporting data and media between machines.

Andy
riredale wrote on 7/2/2004, 4:11 PM
Just a couple of days ago I bought a wonderful flash memory device called a Creative MuVo. It's about the size of a Bic lighter and looks exactly like a USB flash memory device, which in fact it is. It mates with a slick little housing that holds a single AAA cell.

What sold me on it is that the device just plugs into your PCs USB port (low or high speed) and shows up on the desktop as simply another storage device. You can drag and drop folders of mp3 or wma songs onto it, and you're done. No special jukebox software required. You can use DRM on the wma stuff, or not.

We got the $120 version, which had just 128MB but included a very usable FM radio. Hey, 128MB is good for 4 CDs.

I am very sorry to hear that Sony built a very limited device. Those management bozos need to hire me (any of us, probably) to give them an earful on what will sell and what is a dead end. Oh, by the way, the MuVo doubles as a regular old file storage device, too.
plasmavideo wrote on 7/2/2004, 4:24 PM
I bet it's the same ATRAC compression used on the MD players. The "music management" software for MD from Sony is pretty lame. You have to "check-out" and "check-in" music to the same computer and cannot use it on multiple disks (well maybe 2 or 3) without "checking-in" a cut from one of the disks. Also, it converts your files to ATRAC and stores them on your hard disk in addition to the originals already on your hard disk. It's pretty intrusive stuff. The ATRAC quality even at high compression isn't bad for casual listening, but the music copyright management stuff will drive you insane.

My understanding is that the new Hi-MD format will allow you to transfer stuff you recorded in analog on the portable to the computer via USB, but currently you cannot. MD is a wonderful format and concept that is crippled by the copyright issue problems.
farss wrote on 7/2/2004, 5:19 PM
According to the blurb it seems it does play atrac3,mp3,wma and wav.
Downsides that I can see. Same stupid engineering as the iPod, embedded Li-Ion battery, as far as the manufacturer is concerned when the battery dies, time to buy a new unit. That kind of fits with Apple's philiosophy, Macs have trash cans, Windoz machines have recycling bins.
And to anyone who thinks iTunes is a wonderful idea, it too is full of DRM, three strokes and you're out. Only good thing is their DRM is easy to circumvent I hear.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 7/2/2004, 8:40 PM
I bought the 256MB Creative MuVo too and I love it. I always have my laptop with me so I don’t need a hard drive device. I just plug the MuVo into my USB port and drop in a few MP3’s for the plane ride and I’m good to go. Being able to transfer files with it is an added bonus. Like I said, I just love it!

~jr
biggles wrote on 7/2/2004, 9:08 PM
My iRiver has a USB2 interface, allows recording of MP3, WMA, ASF, Ogg Vorbis or WAV via either the built-in mic or an external mic. HAs optical and analogue in and out, comes in 10G, 20G or 40G flavours. Oh and also has FM tuner.

See http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/hd.aspx
busterkeaton wrote on 7/2/2004, 9:51 PM
IRivers have particularly good sound too.