Sony Text AS Take Conundrum?

Grazie wrote on 7/22/2007, 12:22 AM
Please check out my sanity here . .

1] Put 2 Generated Media "Sony Text" Events on a Timeline. You should now have 2 events: Sony Text 1 [ST1] and Sony Text 2 [ST2] - easy!

2] Edit ST1 - change the Font or anything

3] Right click on ST1 and choose "Select in Project Media List"

4] Now, right-Click-Hold and DRAG onto ST2 and release and CHOOSE "Add as Takes" - easy!

.. you will now see "Sony Text 1 (2/2)" within the Event name section . .

5] Now Edit this "Sony Text 1 (2/2)"! - Problem here it then updates the previous ST1 on the timeline too.

My way of thinking is that if I am adding as a "TAKE", and if I then wish to ALTER that take why then UPDATE/CHANGE the original ST1?

The point being here is that I THOUGHT I had discovered a useful way of substituting alternative Text Events, using the "Add As Takes" substitution/option therefore not requiring me having to CREATE brand new Text Events?!??!

This is NOT easy!!! And for my way of thinking, not intuitive either.

Grazie



Comments

MH_Stevens wrote on 7/22/2007, 8:01 AM
The Sony text editor has very limited functionality. You may have noticed in scrolling credits for example if you change the format of one line it changes everything. I think Vegas is seeing these two takes as one item and applying the same formatting to each. It's like if you want to change the formats of scrolling credit you need multiple tracks. Isn't this why other people use add-on text editors?
MH_Stevens wrote on 7/22/2007, 8:01 AM
NB: IF you hit the "post" button twice you can edit the second post (this one) and leave the first one intact. Seems the forum can do things Vegas can't.

[old original post:The Sony text editor has very limited functionality. You may have noticed in scrolling credits for example if you change the format of one line it changes everything. I think Vegas is seeing these two takes as one item and applying the same formatting to each. It's like if you want to change the formats of scrolling credit you need multiple tracks. Isn't this why other people use add-on text editors?]
Chienworks wrote on 7/22/2007, 10:26 AM
Grazie, i think you've just proved that Vegas is more sane than you are. ;)

Here's the thing ... the second take is still the first text event. It's the same thing! Imagine this scenario ... two video clips A and B on the timeline. Add A as a take to B's event. Now, in some other program you open up A and edit the video itself. guess what ... both event A and the A take on event B are changed! Why? 'Cause it's still the same clip that both events are coming from.

Same thing in your case, it's still the same text event. If you really want to accomplish changing one and not the other then you have to make a copy of the text event. What you're doing now is the same as Ctrl-dragging a text even to copy it on the timeline and then choose "make reference to original event" instead of "make new copy".

So, Vegas is doing exactly what you asked it to do. Whether that's what you wanted it to do or not is quite other.
rmack350 wrote on 7/22/2007, 4:51 PM
On the other hand, if you copy and paste a text event on the timeline then you get the option of making a new media object or just making a reference to the original. Making new copies gets you lots of clips with the same properties and then you can change the text.

It'd be nice to generate a whole batch of text events from a text file...this is what people are looking for when they want to burn in subtitles.

Rob Mack