Sony, v6d still has file path bug

seanfl wrote on 2/16/2006, 8:18 AM
The file path bug still exists and has been discussed here many times. Incase it's new to someone:

Open a project you have saved somewhere. Now render part/all of it to a different location. now go to SAVE AS (so you can save a new version of your .veg file). The directory that you're presented with is the directory you just rendered to, and NOT the directory where you've been saving the .veg file.

Vegas should maintain different paths that you're working with...one directory path for where the project is stored, and another for where you're rendering. At this point the paths change to whatever you've done most recently. It's caused me to lose a .veg file from time to time.

Anyone else like to see this fixed? I know I've been asking since version 5.

Sean

Comments

Pcamp wrote on 2/16/2006, 9:51 AM
I agree. This would be a fix that would be worth making - more solid work flow.
Paul
fwtep wrote on 2/16/2006, 9:58 AM
I agree. It seems like a minor quibble to complain about having to constantly go through your drives and paths each time you save something different (i.e. veg and renders), but it's precisely those minor things that count. For example, keyboard shortcuts are only "minor little things" that save you a mouse click or two but no one would release a program without them.
logiquem wrote on 2/16/2006, 11:06 AM
In found myself this bug completly ridiculous and a total annoyance for any pro level software. I mentionned this many times to Sonic Foundry/Sony and i make the request about once a year in product suggestion but there is still no fix, inexplicably.
Steve Mann wrote on 2/16/2006, 11:56 AM
It's not a Vegas problem and it's not a bug.

It's the normal mode for any Windows application that uses the standard Windows subroutines. When you do a "save-as" to another path, the new path becomes the default for any subsequent file I/O.

Try it in any other program that does a "save as" and you'll likely see the same behaviour.
fwtep wrote on 2/16/2006, 12:19 PM
I know it's not actually a bug, but it IS possible for the program to be written to overcome it. I have lots of software that goes to different save paths for different things. For example, 3D software lets you save objects to one place and scenes to another place even when you use Save As. Now, those programs might not be using standard Windows subroutines, but isn't it possible for Vegas to not use them either?

Believe me, this isn't a major annoyance for me-- a bigger one is not allowing event-level audio FX-- but it would still be nice to get it changed.
Ben  wrote on 2/16/2006, 12:39 PM
Yep. Also, every file dialog <should> have the 'Most Recently Used' folder drop-down. Makes life a lot easier.

Ben
Chienworks wrote on 2/16/2006, 2:26 PM
OK, this doesn't fix the problem, but it may make things a bit easier for some of you. Did you know you can connect to shared drives/folders on your own computer? Did you know you can map drive letters to those connections? If you have a few folders you like to get to rapidly, find them in explorer and share them. Then map drive letters to those folders. After that, you can jump right to those folders by opening the pull-down list at the top of the file dialog window and choosing them by drive letter.

Simple little hack, but it works. Really nifty thing is that if you rearrange your hardware, switch removable drives, move stuff to network storage, you can map the same drive letter to the new location of the data. Vegas (and you) will still find everything in the same place it was before.

Back in the good ol' DOS days there was a "map" command that accomplished this without networking. I dunno if that's still available somehow, but this method works just as well.
MH_Stevens wrote on 2/16/2006, 3:03 PM
ALSO if creating a directory using windows explorer during a Vegas session, the Vegas explorer does not recognise it until a close and reopen.

Chienworks wrote on 2/16/2006, 3:54 PM
Click the explorer window and press F5 to refresh. No need to close and reopen.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/16/2006, 6:31 PM
I belive this is because most 3d apps wearn't designed on Windows initiatly & already had routines for saves written.

but it would be nice in Vegas. I don't know of an app I own that does this though... my copy of Photoshop doesn't & that's a pain in the butt.
fwtep wrote on 2/16/2006, 7:30 PM
To me, the difference with Photoshop is that there aren't two completely different things I regularly save (it's always images). With Vegas it's veg files and renders, and most people, I'm sure, don't normally save both in the exact same place.
Steve Mann wrote on 2/17/2006, 12:40 AM
I only use the save-as when I want to clean up my project directory and discard everything not needed. Which is usually only at the end of a project. For fairly simple projects I do save everything on the same directory.

Steve
GmElliott wrote on 2/17/2006, 7:29 AM
I agree but I wouldn't qualify it as a "bug".
logiquem wrote on 2/17/2006, 8:01 AM
Ok, now it's not a bug, it's a feature.... :-)

But with Architect, Director, Fireworks, Acrobat, Flash, etc. (name it....all the softs i use professionnally...), you have a separate path for export/render functions. Saving a project file and export/rendering someting *must* refer to different paths cause evidence says that these are different workflow stages.

Nothing mysterious or special there, this is just logical workflow.
fwtep wrote on 2/17/2006, 9:59 AM
Steve, I use Save-As all the time. I like saving iterations (MyProject_01.veg, MyProject_02.veg, etc.). That way I can go back to a previous version (that's not too old) if I really screw something up or if somehow the veg gets corrupted. On my current project, which I've been working on for a year, I'm up to version 67. I don't raise the number every single time I save, of course, usually it's after making one or more significant changes. And a fun thing about it is that it lets me go back and look at the evolution of the project and laugh at how bad the first version was. :-)

And again, I know it's a Windows issue, not a bug, but it IS possible to fix. Also, as I mentioned earlier, it's not the most important change I'd want (event-level audio FX is). But other than these things, I'm THOROGHLY happy with Vegas (been using it since 1999).
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/17/2006, 11:15 AM
photshop... save as, save, open, export... don't even use the same folders at any time. Basicly, if you open something it assumes it's the export/save/save as folders. Even if you point do a different folder, the next time it defaults tothe open folder of the origional image. Except... :) when you go to open again. Then it goes to the last save folder.

pointless.
Steve Mann wrote on 2/17/2006, 7:08 PM
>>Back in the good ol' DOS days there was a "map" command that accomplished this without networking. I dunno if that's still available somehow, but this method works just as well.

You still can, You can actually put a .bat file in our startup directory to execute any command line you need at startup.
Steve Mann wrote on 2/17/2006, 7:20 PM
I used to do a save-as every few hours as I finish a portion of a project, now I just click on one button from Excalibur and get a timestamped copy of my veg file.

I can't imagine why I would want them in a different directory.

Steve
Grazie wrote on 2/17/2006, 11:48 PM


Hasn't anybody suggested this? If so apologies, but presently Vegas can do this:

1/- Set Path for Prerendered files Folder

2/- Set Path to aim at Video Capture Program

3/- Set path to default VST search folders

4/- Set path to Capture Folder

5/- Set path to my Temporary files folder

6/- Set Paths to folders containing VST Folder effects AND alternates!

7/- Set Paths to "recorded files folder"


Come to that it "KNOWS" where my Burn Drive is 'cos I set that too!

I use Excalibur and that has an "Emergency" path setting for Vegas backup files?

Why not have, like Word, a User Preference for all these settings under one Menu? User definable settings for paths?

Having a user definable PATH-way Menu would be great. Ideal if it was to remember, but failing that then a Menu that had consolidated all my saving paths in ONE place would be neat - no?

I know that others save graphics to one drive/path. It will/might need tweaking for each project. But for each project I could live with - What I can't live with is having to rummage about - AGAIN - for the graphics drive! Same for my Loops, my Snapshot folder, my Project folder, my VidCap capture folder, my Render to a New Track folder ( now THAT has to be my pet hate! ), oh yes yes yes . ."Save Snapshot to File" folder path,
my Scripts folder . . ooohhh I bet I can think of a few more! Oh, is there a "preferred path" to my Preferred Graphics Editor?

If I/we can't have Vegas "remember" where we last did a save for a specific task, having a User Menu that consolidated Path Preferences for saving items - viz above - would do me for the moment.

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 2/17/2006, 11:52 PM


Just looked in WORD: "File Locations"! Easy - huh? -g
jvincent wrote on 3/22/2006, 4:11 AM
And just look SoundForge by ... Sony ....where you can call last path used.
Just some program lines for Vegas developers team to customize the open/save dialog box in Vegas 6e.
Vincent.
seanfl wrote on 8/30/2006, 7:41 PM
please for the love of saving files where they should go...please tell me the folks in Madison fixed this bug in V7. It's been with me for a few versions and causes a few extra mouse clicks and frustration each time I render & resave a project with a new version name.


Sean
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