Sony: When will this be fixed? (Timeline names not changing on replace...) (It's been 4 months)

kentwolf wrote on 1/3/2004, 8:12 PM
When will the bug of timeline clip names not changing when media is replaced be fixed?

1. I reported this in the official bug report page about 4 months ago.

2.) Multiple users also reported this in this forum about 4 months ago.

This is a repeatable bug and really needs fixing, yet to date, this has not been addressed.

What does it take to get this addressed? This is a fundamental flaw in Vegas functionality which can (is) affecting work flow, and is incredibly irritating; media on the timeline shows the WRONG name, if replaced.

It would seem that 1/3 of a year would be enough to correct a media labeling/identification issue.

Thank you.

Comments

Grazie wrote on 1/3/2004, 9:56 PM
Ditto - I replace stuff into "formats" that I use time and time again. Being able to actually see that the "new" media is being used confirms that I got the correct stuff in place - Grazie
craftech wrote on 1/4/2004, 6:22 AM
You mean it didn't get fixed in version 4.0e along with the Sony name change?
Perhaps some of the people begging for a price increase in this thread would be willing to personally chip in.:

http://www.mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=236166&Replies=70&Page=2

John
filmy wrote on 1/4/2004, 6:27 PM
Or maybe when craftech sells his old TV, with the green playback ability, for $1,000 he can chip in. ;)
craftech wrote on 1/4/2004, 7:05 PM
Or maybe when craftech sells his old TV, with the green playback ability, for $1,000 he can chip in. ;)
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Filmy,

Do you think I should lower the price? It's been on Ebay for 2 years now.

John
filmy wrote on 1/4/2004, 7:37 PM
>>>Do you think I should lower the price? It's been on Ebay for 2 years now.<<<

Ahh, well you see now there is the problem - Ebay. Maybe you need to use another set of keywords - maybe try slipping "live nide girls" in there. If that doesn't work maybe try "Rare Television. Serious inquiries only." And if all else fails maybe try "Ultra rare Television from Lee Harvey Oswalds room" Toss in some line about a hidden roll of unexposed negative stuffed in the back side and I think that would do it for ya.

Or you could slap on a Sony logo and raise the price.

:)
craftech wrote on 1/4/2004, 8:13 PM
What's a "nide" girl? How much for one of those?
filmy wrote on 1/4/2004, 8:23 PM
>>> What's a "nide" girl? How much for one of those?<<<

We are the nides who say neat....er..no that's not it.
If you took a girl for a nide you could have fun in her nard...um..no that's not it either.
If all the girls at Nide were laid end to end I wouldn't be shocked....no, not that either.

I dunno...my "d" jumped down a row on the keyboard I reckon. I am sure it isn't a user problem, just that these keys have minds of thier own and jump around a lot. Now if only Gateway would fix their keysboards I would gladly pay more.
farss wrote on 1/4/2004, 8:33 PM
Well I just got one of the original buckling spring keyboards, it's as noisy as all hell but now the misses knows I'm working and I know when I've really hit the key. I highly recommend them, made by Unicomp, they bought the patent from IBM. It's not pretty, weighs a ton and I wouldn't recommend them for editing but for typing wow!
Grazie wrote on 1/5/2004, 1:11 AM
Sorry folks . . what has all this got to do with the original question . . ? I haven't u/g to 4.0e. Could someone who has got 4.0e please check out if this is the case - that is does the Replaced Media get named in the timeline .. nothing more nothing less . . . it's a straight question that for at least 2 users here find this infuriating.

Yours most respectfully,

G
PAW wrote on 1/5/2004, 3:41 AM

Just tried it on 4.0e and it appears to be still there.

You can right click and manually change the name.

Regards, Paul
Grazie wrote on 1/5/2004, 4:24 AM
Thanks Chester . . . and yes about the manual fix. An auto fix is the way to go.

G
SonyEPM wrote on 1/5/2004, 7:06 AM
The method we advise for changing media inside an event is to add the media as a new take. The source media's base name will be used for the new take name.

Also: The text you see displayed in an event is the name of the "active take". When an event is first created, the take name is based on the name of the source media file first used in the event, but the there's not a 1:1, locked relationship between source media and a take- you can rename a take, add multiple takes, delete takes etc., so changing the take name if the media changes is not the right thing to do at all times.

Grazie wrote on 1/5/2004, 7:22 AM
EPM, thanks for that. . .. So, using the Right Click on the "Existing Media" in the Media Pool and the Menu says "Replace", what it actually means is to replace a take of that named media - i.e. another take? Now I'm confused. Right clicking on the Media in the Media Pool I get one lot of options for Replacing, then when I Right click on the Media on the T/L I get another set of options . . .

If I see an option to "Replace" it means just that.

.. hmmm... Grazie

EPM, thanks for telling me straight.
SonyEPM wrote on 1/5/2004, 7:59 AM
Grazie: Media pool>replace lets you change out source media but will not change existing take names. This is not a bug.
Grazie wrote on 1/5/2004, 8:32 AM
That I've gathered.

So, this holds for going to the T/L. When I've got a clip in the T/L and I replace it, via the Media Pool, it does get replaced, the name in Media Pool gets replaced/updated - I can see it - but the name in the T/L remains the same. Why? This must be a failsafe for using takes or something. . . . Look, I'm really not trying to be stubborn here, but, if I replace something in the Media Pool and the name and the Media gets replaced, isn't it logical for me to "presume" that the name in the T/L would also get updated? - Perhaps I've got a bug . . . been feeling under the weather the past 3 days . . maybe I'm coming down with something . .maybe I need to be replaced, or renamed . . .. Look, EPM, thanks for trying and yes I can see why there are very real reasons that the Take thing should remain unassailable/uncorrupted . . But please do see my point . .

Very best regards,

Grazie
Chienworks wrote on 1/5/2004, 9:02 AM
I think what's happening here is that in the timeline you see the name of the take and not the name of the media. When you first create an event, it is given the name of the media used to create it. However, subsequent changes of the media do not affect the primary take name. It seems a little odd, but i guess i can see the reasoning. It does seem like an operation that completely replaces the content of an event with new media should perhaps act like it's creating the event from scratch and set up the take name from the new media. Maybe there should be a context menu option to rename the primary take name from the currently active take.
Grazie wrote on 1/5/2004, 9:07 AM
Thanks Kelly! I'm not going totally insane on this one . . . Maybe the "replace" should come with a Govt Health Warning . . . "This Replace Is for Take Integrity!" - . .. something along those lines anyway. What you are asking for," . . menu option to rename the primary take name . . " isn't that part of the drop down menu thing on the T/L?

But, yes Kelly thanks again . . .

. . I'll go and lie down now and take my medication . . .

Grazie
kentwolf wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:17 PM
>>...The method we advise for changing media inside an event is to add the
>>media as a new take.

I see. It would have been nice had this been explained 4 months ago either as a response to my bug report or to the forum, but nonetheless, thank you for your explanation. I did not know that.

I checked, and the options *does* say show active *take* names in events, so Sony is right. It is consistent.

>>The source media's base name will be used for the new take name.

It would be extremely helpful if this were maybe an option, to show the *media* name. I think it's pretty evident, that's what everyone using it for. In fact, Spot's Vegas DVD instruction set is where I learned of this feature. It is also pretty much presented as being able to determine the media name, in my opinion.

>>...changing the take name if the media changes is not the right thing to do at all times...

Again, it would be helpful if this were an optional function.

Thank you very much for the explanation, so now I can sleep at night... :)
Thanks!