Stabilization and chopping

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/25/2021, 1:48 AM

Dear Sirs, For several years I used Vagas Pro 14 without any problems, last year I upgraded the program to Vegas Pro 18, but not everything works as it should. My biggest problem is with the stabilization feature, which has to be done here as the last of all the video edits used. Then, when I make another adjustment, because some things only come out after applying stabilization, I have to use stabilization again. However, it is often chopped when re-applied, and chopping will take effect even after the video is rendered, which is unacceptable. There are also problems with placing text with a preselected display effect in the video. During playback, the entire image is chopped and cannot be viewed normally (even with the best full preview setting). Can you please advise me how to fix these errors? Thank you. Robert W.

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RogerS wrote on 1/25/2021, 1:55 AM

For stabilization, are you applying it to the media or to an event on the timeline?

What do you mean by chopped? Cut off?

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/25/2021, 2:20 AM

Yes, I apply stabilization to an event in the timeline, and sometimes stabilization is worse than without it. The image is chopped and shaken. Or the chopping will not take effect until it has been played back several times. Or even after rendering. By chopping I mean poor playback fluency.

Robert

RogerS wrote on 1/25/2021, 2:54 AM

Here a developer recommends running stabilization as a media Fx, not to an event. If you want to break up the media into smaller sections you can use "subclips." Perhaps try that.

Rendering and playback fluency aren't related. If rendering looks choppy, it sounds like the stabilization failed as in the example in the thread I linked to.

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/25/2021, 3:36 AM

What do you mean "stabilization as a media FX, not to an event"? When I use stabilization function, I click on Fx in concrete event (one complete part of the video, usually 3 - 6 sec. long), choose Video stabilization and apply basic or etc. Is there another method?

Thank you.

3POINT wrote on 1/25/2021, 3:52 AM

I think Roger means a restriction in Vegas Movie Studio where stabilization can only be applied as a mediaFX. In VegasPro you can better apply it as EventFX.

Which stabilization do you use, Vegas internal stabilization or the Mercalli Plugin that came with Vpro14?

RogerS wrote on 1/25/2021, 4:01 AM

I think Roger means a restriction in Vegas Movie Studio where stabilization can only be applied as a mediaFX. In VegasPro you can better apply it as EventFX.

Which stabilization do you use, Vegas internal stabilization or the Mercalli Plugin that came with Vpro14?

I meant following the advice of the Magix developer from the link above "I would always use the stabilization as MediaFX (using the original resolution)" and applying it to media as a media Fx (right-click on the media in the media pool) and not as an EventFx. The OP says he is using VP 18.

3POINT wrote on 1/25/2021, 4:28 AM

When project resolution is same as media resolution there is no restriction (using original resolution) when using EventFX. When using as EventFX the stabilization tool needs only to analyse the trimmed part of the Media, when using as MediaFX it analyses the whole media or you have to generate subclips of the trimmed events first.

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/25/2021, 6:11 AM

Well, thank you both, I will try for stabilization use Media FX. I thought, that FX in video event and FX in Tools are the same.

RogerS wrote on 1/25/2021, 6:24 AM

Well, thank you both, I will try for stabilization use Media FX. I thought, that FX in video event and FX in Tools are the same.

Apparently there is a difference with stabilization if you ever change frame rate or resolution when you render. Applying as media is apparently safer. I wish this were more intuitive and fool-proof. Do let us know if it works any better.

The idea of different levels of Fx in Vegas is an important one. You can apply to the media itself, which means if you drag it to the timeline twice both instances will have the Fx. You can apply at the event level, so one event can have the Fx and the other not. You can also apply Fx to everything on a track, or also on output (next to the preview window). Vegas is really flexible but can also be confusing.

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/29/2021, 4:22 AM

Hello guys, I changed event stabilization to media stabilization, everything was ok until rendering. I remind you that this is Vegas Pro 18. The result is that after rendering, the stabilization did not manifest itself at all, as if it was not even there.
So I don't know anymore ...

set wrote on 1/29/2021, 5:28 AM

What's the result? is it something flicker result like this: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-need-to-fix-this-render-problem-bug-since-vp16--126463/ ?

 

In case needed, you can turn on the old stabilization via deprecated feature.

Sometimes, depends on the situation, the old stabilization may work better than the newer one.

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RogerS wrote on 1/29/2021, 6:18 AM

@Robert-Woprsalek Was the project resolution the same as the rendering resolution? Just to test could you change the project resolution to match what you plan to render, run the stabilization then and see if it works?

Robert-Woprsalek wrote on 1/29/2021, 12:52 PM

To set: the result is as when the event is without the use of stabilization, not as in the reference

To RogerS: Project: Custom 1920x1080, 50 fps, frame rate 50 double pal, Rendering: format Magix AVC/AAC MP4, template Internet HD 1080p 50 fps.

I rendered again and somewhere the stabilization just stays there and somewhere it shuts down completely (removes). It doesn't matter if I used Media FX or Event FX. What is the old way of applying stabilization that you mention?

Thank you.

 

3POINT wrote on 1/29/2021, 1:41 PM

Project: Custom 1920x1080, 50 fps, frame rate 50 double pal, Rendering: format Magix AVC/AAC MP4, template Internet HD 1080p 50 fps.

And your source media is also 1080p50?

set wrote on 1/29/2021, 3:14 PM

What is the old way of applying stabilization that you mention?

Options>Preferences>Deprecated Features>Enable Legacy Stabilizer

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Reyfox wrote on 1/30/2021, 7:13 AM

I rarely use the Stabilizer, but when I did in VP16/17, the "legacy" one worked quite well. Mind you, the video wasn't that shaky to begin with.

It was used on UHD 4K 25P footage from a Panasonic camera.

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3POINT wrote on 1/30/2021, 7:26 AM

The legacy stabilizer is not suitable for UHD/4k.