stills will not be still (misbehaving)

randib wrote on 12/13/2004, 4:11 PM
the end of my movie is about 50 stills, captured from movie studio. they look great on preview in dvd2.0. i render and the still have a lot of jitters on the tv screnn. the movie is about 40 minutes long,renders in about a hour and half. i did turn up my bitrate to 9800, because i have lots of space on my disc and wanted the best quality video i could get. also noticed in dvd2.0 it states "stretch to fit" should i be using letterbox or widescreen to make my stills be still again? or is this because of bit rate? or should i choose 1x speed for burn time instead of 2x or 4x ? any help would be fantastic.

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Steve Grisetti wrote on 12/14/2004, 6:40 AM
The best place for beginning your trouble-shooting would be to export your timeline (or at least the troublesome portion of it) as an AVI and watch it in Windows Media Player.

This will tell you if the problem is occurring in MovieStudio or in the DVD encoding.
ADinelt wrote on 12/14/2004, 8:31 AM
Also, make sure Fast Video Resizing is disabled when rendering. This helped clear up a lot of problems for me when creating photo slide shows.

Al
gogiants wrote on 12/14/2004, 2:44 PM
A while back I had this same problem. See below for one of the responses and the link.

In addition to the suggestion below, you might want to try VirtualDub and the "smart deinterlace" filter. (http://neuron2.net/smart.html) What I do is figure out what still I want, produce a very short avi that includes that particular frame, use the deinterlace filter to deinterlace the short clip and create a 2nd short avi, then capture the frame from the deinterlaced avi. Quite a few steps, but it works well for me.

See post at: http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=12&MessageID=225663

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Sounds like you’ve captured half an interlaced frame. This problem happens a lot when you have fast motion like someone jumping into a pool. There is just too much motion between frames. You can try and capture one frame before or one frame after and see if that helps. It may give you a more complete image. You might also try deinterlacing the JPG file with Paint Shop Pro or some other photo editing software that has this function. (I don’t know if MovieStudio does this when it saves the frame or not) Adding a very slight blur to the image might help as well.
ADinelt wrote on 12/15/2004, 4:53 AM
This may sound pretty dumb, but how do you de-interlace a still picture (e.g. jpeg)?

I understand how interlacing works with video, but now with a still picture.

Thanks...
Al
gogiants wrote on 12/15/2004, 8:22 AM
I may be off track with the whole interlacing thing for this particular problem, but here's what I meant: you'd want to deinterlace the video before capturing the still in the first place.

At the very least it will get rid of the strange effects you see when capturing a still from fast motion video; e.g. fast moving arms look fat since the interlaced video frame shows blurred arms.
ADinelt wrote on 12/15/2004, 7:10 PM
Thanks gogiants. Nah, you weren't off track. I was just being dumb!!!
randib wrote on 12/16/2004, 1:32 PM
thanks for all your suggestions.. 1-did export as avi to view in media player, looked good. 2-did disable "fast video resizing", turned my render from 90- minutes to 5 hours, amazing quality and color, well worth every minute ! still have jitters on stills. and yes this is sports activity, looking into "virtualdub smart deinterlace filter" as a solution. will vegas movie studio 4.0+dvd work alright with virtualdub ?? this is all new to me. making a good movie was fairly easy. my stills on the other hand have been frustrating at best ! any good ideas ??
gogiants wrote on 12/16/2004, 5:35 PM
As for "will vegas movie studio 4.0+dvd" work with virtualdub, I can say yes. You'll just want to create a .avi file to feed into virtualdub, and then try the steps I mentioned earlier.
trock wrote on 12/21/2004, 12:08 PM
If you encode as progressive (not interlaced), that gets rid of the still jitters when played on a TV.
randib wrote on 12/21/2004, 12:37 PM
how do i encode as progressive instead of interlaced ?? looked into virtualdub, looks like if your not sure of what your doing, you could make things worse. virtualdub seems a little intimidating for a newbie as myself. thanks randi.
trock wrote on 12/23/2004, 8:50 AM
I don't know how to encode progressive with the Movie Studio built-in encoder since I don't use it as it's only 1-pass. I frameserve from Movie Studio to TMPGEnc 3XP and set its encode setting to progressive and all the jitter/flicker vanishes and I get beautiful quality still shots.

trock
trock wrote on 12/25/2004, 1:47 PM
You can also set the Project Information to Progressive before saving the images.
randib wrote on 12/25/2004, 8:37 PM
thanks (trock) ! how do i framesave to "TMPEGnc3XP" in movie studio4.0, & set its encode setting to prgressive ? do i need additonal software ? one last question, how do you set the Project information to Progreesive befoe i save the stills ?? i appreciate your input and expertise
trock wrote on 12/26/2004, 6:34 AM
In Movie Studio, select File/Project Properties/General/Modify Template Defaults/Field Order [choose None(progessive scan)].

No extra software needed for this method.

The frameserving method needs extra software and a steep learning curve.
djcc wrote on 12/26/2004, 8:47 AM
Does this only work with progressive scan TV's?