Sub $1000 monitor for color correcting

jcorkum wrote on 11/20/2007, 2:02 PM
I am looking to a buy a 24" monitor for editing and color correcting
with Vegas 6, at a price max of $1000.

Some searching has found that is must process in at least 8-bits, that
it "must" speak HDPC to futureproof, and the display types that can be
found in that price range, S-IPS, S-PVA/MVA are both really good, as are current color gamut percentage capabilities. Viewsonic/Ezio/NEC seems universally liked, with appropriate price points.

Are there other considerations ?

Can anyone recommend a monitor/brand you've had experience with?

And I think this is a no-brainer- Should I budget in calibration hardware?


Thanks MIA,
Jason

Comments

craftech wrote on 11/20/2007, 6:47 PM
I would suggest you get a CRT monitor while you still can. You will get much more for your money and they will last a lot longer.

Sony and Panasonic have phased them out, but you can get a 19 inch JVC TM-H1900GU for around $900.

Anything in an LCD of comparable quality will cost a few thousand and frankly aren't worth the money IMO.

John
Cheno wrote on 11/20/2007, 7:44 PM
Try the JVC TMH-150CGU (15" CRT) as well, it can be had for under $500 and although I'm not a JVC fan, is really a nice-looking monitor with all the bells and whistles. Little brother to the 19" and unless you're monitoring HD out of a card (Blackmagic / AJA) from Vegas, this SD monitor will do just fine.

cheno

rs170a wrote on 11/20/2007, 8:41 PM
I agree with Cheno on the 15" JVC.
I've had 4 of them in student edit suites for the past 3 years and they're great.
One drawback to the 19" JVC that craftech mentioned is that it doesn't have a "blue gun only" switch and, IMO, this is a crucial option to help you to properly calibrate the monitor.
The only places I've ever seen a 24" (or larger) production colour monitor is in high-end post houses for telecine transfers.
Trust me when I say that we could never afford one of them :-(

Mike
essami wrote on 11/21/2007, 2:28 AM
How do you set up a CRT monitor with Vegas?

I have an NVIDIA GeForcce 7600 GS display adapter. Vegas 6 as well. But thinking about moving to Vegas 8 maybe.

What kinda wiring and do I need a new display adapter or something, Ive never done this.

Oh yeah and what are the differences of setting up for SD and HD?

Sami
Grazie wrote on 11/21/2007, 3:05 AM
I have the JVC 15" - marvellous!

I also have an earlier NVIDIA - the GeForce FX 5200. I donl;t link from the VIDEO card I link, via firewire, to my Panasonic Deck > I take the output away from my Pannie Mission-Control/Capture deck using a S-VHS output that goes straight into my "B" select option on the JVC.

So that is:

PC > f/w > Panasoinc Deck > S-VHS > JVC CRT

Somewhere in line you need to convert DV>AV. I've done this via the Panasonic deck. I do have a Canopus ACEDVio card that has never cut the mustard when having the capture deck and the PC trying to work simultaneously. I therefore left the Canopus out of the loop and find the Pannie deck a good converter.

The JVC also has a front-side input-selection button array. Actually this lil box of tricks can also make use of extra JVC cards and you could also select these inputs - "C" and "D" if you have "other" these input cards slotted into the JVC. Now, without turning the JVC around, I think I used a BNC from the Pannie's S-VHS into the BNC at the rear of the JVC.

The 15" JVC is an amazing box of tricks that gives me valuable colour correction and colour gradng quality/fidelity. And being this size is big enough to get at the colour requirements without having too big a footprint in taking up too much Edit Desk clutter.

http://www.jvcpro.co.uk/item/index_html?item=TM-H150CGHere's the JVC dope-sheet![/link]

Grazie
craftech wrote on 11/21/2007, 5:57 AM
One drawback to the 19" JVC that craftech mentioned is that it doesn't have a "blue gun only" switch and, IMO, this is a crucial option to help you to properly calibrate the monitor.
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Yes, I agree

The only reason I suggested that monitor was because it was the largest one that fit within the original poster's size and cost requirements. If he were willing to spend more for a larger monitor I would have suggested the JVC TM-H1950CGU for $1265.

In terms of the JVC TM-H150CGU 15-Inch monitor I have that monitor. It is great. Grazie was one of the people who helped me make that decision. For $470 it has to be the best bargain out there for a professional CRT video monitor. It is absolutely fabulous and my videos are a testimonial to that. The only reason I didn't suggest it was because of the size. But if the OP can make do with a smaller monitor (It's not all that small by the way) I would recommend that one above all others.

John
JohnnyRoy wrote on 11/21/2007, 6:13 AM
> How do you set up a CRT monitor with Vegas?

As Grazie said you need an Digital-to-Analog converter somewhere alone the line. The easiest way is to buy something like the ADS Tech A/V Link (which I use) and go from your PC firewire into the A/V Link and out to the CRT monitor. Then use Vegas "Preview to External Monitor" to send the preview there.

> Oh yeah and what are the differences of setting up for SD and HD?

HD is a whole other story with a different color space (ITU 709 vs ITU 601). For that you want an HD monitor hooked up to your internal PC graphics card and previewed via Windows Secondary Display. Since there are no HD monitors under $1000 just buy a 24" HDTV or computer LCD capable of HD resolution with an IPS or S-PVA panel (i.e., not TN) as you read about.

~jr
rs170a wrote on 11/21/2007, 6:23 AM
I have that monitor. It is great. Grazie was one of the people who helped me make that decision

And I'm the one who told Grazie about it :-)
As I said earlier, my personal opinion is that this monitor would be sufficient for the OP's needs as I feel that 24" is overkill, not to mention out of the price range.
Having said that, the 19" you linked to seems to be a decent monitor, albeit over the OP's budget.

edit: Color Bars and How To Use 'em is an excellent tutorial on how to properly set up a colour monitor.

Mike
byGeorge wrote on 11/21/2007, 8:53 AM
How do you think that the JVC TMH-150CGU compares to the Sony PVM-14L1?

Thanks,

George
rs170a wrote on 11/21/2007, 10:00 AM
First of all, the Sony is 2" smaller ,has 150 less lines of horizontal resolution (i.e. not as crisp) and, according to B&H, $35 more.
I've always found the colour on Sony monitors to be a wee bit too cool (i.e. blue) for my liking. It's nothing drastic, just that if you put a JVC & a Sony side by side, I find the JVC to be more accurate.

Mike
jcorkum wrote on 11/22/2007, 12:09 PM
Analog, eh? Who'da thunk it?

This is a great idea- thanks for the advice. I've got the Canopus ADVC100 to convert and I'll spend the extra on a cheap third workspace lcd.

Is buying used an option and/or recommended?


Thanks,
Jason
rs170a wrote on 11/22/2007, 12:33 PM
Is buying used an option and/or recommended?

Personally, I'd never buy a used monitor.
You have no way of knowing how many thousands of hours it's been used.

Mike