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jetdv wrote on 7/22/2004, 7:06 AM
When you create a sub-clip, YOU specify the starting and ending points. That is now the LIMITS of the sub-clip. However, you CAN get back to the full clip in the trimmer. Just right-click the sub-clip, choose Open in trimmer, and click on the "Select Parent Media" button.
Randy Brown wrote on 7/22/2004, 7:23 AM
Edward, do you know why a sub-clip is deleted when deleting (remove from project) the original clip?
TIA,
Randy
Arks wrote on 7/22/2004, 7:37 AM
The subclip is only a reference to a larger clip. It is not a new file.
VidNut wrote on 7/22/2004, 7:46 AM
Thanks jetdv. I do understand how I made the subclip and how I can get back to the parent material in the trimmer.

My question still stands.

If anyone knows a secret modifier key for use when dragging the edge of the subclip in order to extend into the original parent material I would love to hear it because if you can't then I think Vegas 5 subclips are a big disapointment perhaps even useless.




Grazie wrote on 7/22/2004, 7:56 AM
Please explain "useless"? - Grazie
Randy Brown wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:03 AM
>>" The subclip is only a reference to a larger clip. It is not a new file."<<

Yes but the "larger clip" is only a reference to the original file too I
just don't understand why it needs to stay in the media pool.

Thanks,
Randy
VidNut wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:03 AM
I can't extend the audio for the tracklay if I use subclips.
VidNut
VidNut wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:05 AM
Randy, perhaps you would be more comfortable in your own thread.
Randy Brown wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:06 AM
Seems relative to me Vidnut but...sorry.
Randy
Grazie wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:07 AM
. . and what you want to do is what exactly? Are you wanting to make some cutaways and have the "audio" still run under the "new" video? If this is the case then we should be looking at a different way of approaching editing.

Any takers on this, as I've got the answer on "why" useless ..

Grazie
jetdv wrote on 7/22/2004, 8:57 AM
What's the point of creating a subclip if you want the original file instead? If it did what you say, it wouldn't behave the same as everything else. You have limited it when you set the in and out points. Need a little more clip? Set the in and/or out point bigger to begin with. If it did what you said and you made the clip longer, it wouldn't loop - now it will! This is expected behaviour to me. And it is definitely NOT useless.
BrianStanding wrote on 7/22/2004, 10:16 AM
Try using Regions set in the trimmer instead and saved to the media file. You can grab the Regions by name out of Vegas' Explorer window and drop them on the timeline. Extending out point works the same way as original media.
AlistairLock wrote on 7/22/2004, 10:35 AM
I find the "disadvantage" of not being able to extend subclips quite useful for quickly making a still frame.

I split the video, taking the frame I want, and make it a subclip. I can then pull it out as a still frame to the length I want.
rmack350 wrote on 7/22/2004, 12:21 PM
There's no good reason why subclips shouldn't be allowed to extend beyond that limit you set when you made it. It would just be more flexible if it did.

Vidnut's point about J cuts and L cuts is a really good one.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 7/22/2004, 12:29 PM
It's a good point as well.

The points of making a subclip are:

1. You can define a region, see it in the pool, and use it over and over.
2. You can apply Media FX to the subclip independently of those you apply to the parent.

Not being able to drag the subclip back out if you need to is just a dumb oversight. However, the point about making a short subclip and having it repeat as you drag it out is also valid. I think that should be the default behavior and a key modifier should allow you to drag it out without repeating.

Having to replace your subclip with the original clip is just too many steps considering it doesn't have to be this way. It's inefficient.

Rob Mack
24Peter wrote on 7/22/2004, 3:37 PM
I agree with the spirit of the original post and have abandoned using subclips altogether. I was banking on some flexibility in terms of in/out points.
PeterWright wrote on 7/22/2004, 6:35 PM
Don't forget you can create and save Regions in the Trimmer which can be used just like subclips (from Explorer), with the added advantage that they can be extended any time.
Chienworks wrote on 7/23/2004, 7:38 AM
I would suggest that if you want extra audio for J & L edits that you create the subclip to include the extra audio. If you want that audio, then you want that part of the clip. When a subclip is defined Vegas uses it as if that was the entire clip. The way to think about it is that you are cutting away some of the video to do these types of edits rather than adding more audio.

Consider that, if instead of a subclip, you were working with an entire clip you had captured from tape. If you decide after capturing that you want more of the audio than you captured, well, it's not there in the clip. You can't pull the end out and have it magically appear. If you want that extra audio then you have to capture it. If you didn't plan ahead then you have to go back and recapture, making sure to include it this time.

It's the same with subclips. If you didn't plan ahead when creating it then you have to go back and recreate it with the extra that you need. At least recreating a subclip is very fast and easy as compared to recapturing from tape.