Sublclips VS regions, opinion needed

Nat wrote on 7/22/2005, 8:01 AM
Hello there, when V5 came out with support for subclips I was quite happy. For some reason, I just don't seem to use sublcips a lot, I prefer to create regions in the trimmer and access those regions in the explorer view (wish I could do this in the media pool). Until now, the only use I have had for sublcips is to change the loop point of a file (mostly for audio files).

What is your workflow ?

I also think that for subclips to be very useful, one should be able to save the subclips as files on the disk which would contain reference to the media with in and out points, so it could be shared easily.

Comments

kkolbo wrote on 7/22/2005, 10:12 AM
>>I also think that for subclips to be very useful, one should be able to save the subclips as files on the disk which would contain reference to the media with in and out points, so it could be shared easily.<<

I use subclips for pulling segemnts out to use in montages and such. The subclips placed in a bin become my select takes. I do agree that the feature listed above would be cool.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 7/22/2005, 10:57 AM
Not sure if i know what you're talking about for sure, but I think that my answer is that I use the trimmer to insert selections onto the T/L (subclips? - not refering to a nested project right?)

Dave
Nat wrote on 7/22/2005, 11:01 AM
No, I'm refering to subclips :p

In the trimmer, make selection, right click it and you have the option to create a subclips which creates an event representing that section. I personnaly prefer to embed a region in the file.
Spot|DSE wrote on 7/22/2005, 11:20 AM
Same here, I like regions better, but lots of people asked for subclips, so there ya' go.
BrianStanding wrote on 7/22/2005, 11:43 AM
Why not use 'em both? (Set in and out point, in trimmer, hit "R", name the region, hit "C", you're done.

The big advantage of subclips is that you can put them in different bins in the Project Media/Media Pool, without having to remember the parent file. Makes it easier to find them if you're doing a long-form project.

The (relatively minor) disadvantage of subclips is that it's an extra mouse stroke to change in and out points. You have to use the "open parent media" button in the trimmer.
Nat wrote on 7/22/2005, 1:15 PM
Yeah doing both makes sense, isn't there a script that can take the different regions in the trimmer and convert them to subclips ? (with the name of the subclip same as the name of the region ?
rmack350 wrote on 7/22/2005, 5:24 PM
On my last project subclips came in very handy but the hard and fast end points were a real hassle. I'd prefer to be able to drag them back out when they're on the timeline...however, there are other features of subclips that seem to require a hard and fast end point.

What subclips should do (and I'd have to go back and look, maybe they support this) is carry their own media FX independent of the parent clip. This is what they can do in media100 and it's how that program deals with freeze frames, speed changes, etc. It allows you to create a media pool item with anyFX that can be applied in the trimmer attached to it.

Rob Mack
kkolbo wrote on 7/22/2005, 6:27 PM
I avoid the hard and fast in and outpoints on the subclips by not triming them so tight. It is like the film coils in old Movieola editing.
StormMarc wrote on 7/23/2005, 12:52 AM
One thing to consider is that there is a bug in Vegas if you plan on saving your project and trimming the media (save as>copy and trim media with project). The subclips that made it to the timeline will not be trimmed properly. It will default to the start of the original clip. It makes the subclips feature unusable if you need to trim projects for archival.

Marc
Nat wrote on 7/23/2005, 10:09 AM
Yeah I guess the subclip system should be worked on...