Success burning for Panasonic DMPBD30K ?

vawoodworker84 wrote on 1/13/2008, 3:11 PM
I am using Vegas 8 Pro. Has anybody successfully burned a standard DVD to play a high-def format for the Panasonic DMPBD30K Bluray player? I have made at least 10 coasters playing with different settings for burning bluray. I have even tried making a few data disks (and sd cards) with various Vegas AVCHD renderings. The DMPBD30K is said to play sd cards that are written by AVCHD camcorders. Is there some difference in format or is there a directory structure that I need to duplicate?

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Laurence wrote on 1/13/2008, 8:51 PM
Your problem is EXACTLY what I am talking about in http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=570875&Replies=11this thread[/link].

The type of disc you need to burn goes by the name BD9, Mini Blu-ray, or AVCHD disc. You can read about it in Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#BD9_.2F_Mini-Blu-ray_Dischere[/link].

The short answer is to give up on authoring this type of disc from the Vegas timeline and instead use http://www.ulead.com/dmf/runme.htmUlead MovieFactory 6 Plus HD[/link]. After you get this you will also need the http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htmHD Power Pack[/link], and http://www.ulead.com/pi/runme.htmPhoto Imact 12[/link] if you want to design your own menus. It is a bit of a long road to figure this all out, but in the end it is worth it. You get Blu-ray compatible discs burned onto regular DVD+-Rs that look about as good as if you used a real Blu-ray burner and expensive BD-R discs.

Are there problems? Well you are limited to an upper bitrate of 15mbps which will give you a half hour of playback on a single layer and a little over an hour on a dual layer disc. In actual practice however, this is all I need and the quality looks very close to my original HDV source material.

All you have to do is burn an AVCHD master using the BD AVCHD template (which is also 15mbps) and use this file in Movie Factory Plus HD. When you start a project select "AVCHD disc" rather than "Blu-ray disc" and the rest of it is pretty easy.

I have heard that you can also do this with the latest version of Nero and also with the Video Studio 11, but Movie Factory 6 Plus is the only one I have personal experience with.
4eyes wrote on 1/13/2008, 9:47 PM
Laurence,
I don't see the Mini Blu-Ray disk as an AVCHD disk, although similar features. The mini blu-ray disk is when you burn the true Blu-Ray format to a standard dvd instead of a blu-ray disk. That article mentions 3X DVD, because you can also have mpeg2 video @ 25MBS, or very high avc/h264 bit-rates (30MBS), but it's not the format to playback avchd.
AVCHD disks don't spin at 3X, the data rate is lower and also the specs. The maximum data rate for avchd format is also different, one for harddisk avchd & a max-rate for avchd dvd disks.

If you make a AVCHD DVD disk in Nero the highest avc/h264 bit-rate nero will allow of the dvd is 14MBS.
In Nero if you select to make a Blu-Ray Disk the maximum bit-rate for avc/h264 is 30MBS.
In Nero you can create the blu-ray structure on your harddisk, then burn those folders to a standard dvd in the UDF 2.5/2.6 format.

We know the Sony Blu-Ray players won't play these disks. But I think some have posted that the Samsung Blu-Ray Players may play them.

It sounds to me that a mini-blu-ray disk is similar to making a mini-dvd, where you burn a dvd structure to a CD. It can only play on the computer, for now, you know eventually the blu-ray players down the road will probably also play them back.
Laurence wrote on 1/14/2008, 5:44 AM
From the Wikipedia article, it sounds like "Mini Blu-ray" is another term for "AVCHD" disc, but the author could easily be wrong.

It is easy to confuse an "AVCHD disc" with a AVCHD encoded Blu-ray disc like Vegas burns from the timeline.

I refer to this format as "AVCHD disc" just like you. I have moved from DVDA to Ulead MF 6 Plus because it allows me to burn AVCHD, Blu-ray, HD DVD, 3x and SD DVDs with menus all from a single application. The upper bitrate for an AVCHD disc burned onto a regular DVD+-R is 15 mbps and the amount of time this gives is a half hour per layer of standard DVD+-R.

As Blu-ray takes it's commanding lead in the HD disc format war, I have started using the AVCHD format instead of the HD DVD compatible 3x DVD format for burning my HD projects. I can live with the limits of 15mbps and "only" an hour of record time.

The end result is a disc that plays perfectly in all Sony Blu-ray players and looks almost exactly like my HDV source footage and yet is cheap enough that I don't mind giving the discs away.

The only problem I have with these discs is that they won't play back at all in a Samsung BDP1200 player. This player used to work with the AVCHD format but stopped being compatible a couple of firmware updates ago. On the other hand a "mini Blu-ray" or Blu-ray format burned onto a regular DVD+-R works fine on a BDP1200 player. Unfortunately the same disc won't play back on a Sony without stepping through the directories looking for raw video files. Hopefully Samsung will put this feature back in future firmware revisions.
4eyes wrote on 1/14/2008, 9:29 AM
Laurence,
So that means in MF6+ if you start a Blu-Ray Project (make sure no disc is in the tray Before launching MF6+ or the Blu-Ray option may not be visible).
Insert your compliant hd-mpeg2 or avc/h264 videos into the timeline.
Burn a blu-ray folder structure to your harddisk.
Use Nero to burn a UDF 2.6 Only disk (selecting Manual Partition).
That should playback in a Samsung Blu-Ray Disk Player then.

This is how I've been making "Mini-BluRay Discs" using MF6+. I play them back on the computer.
Start a Blu-Ray disc session (no dvd in your burner).
In MF6+ you can use avc/h264 compliant video files & hd-mpeg2 video.
Compliant video is determined by the following settings.
Under the "Gear" Icon check ON both options "Do Not Convert Compliant Mpeg" and "XDisc Format".
In MF6+, if you use hd-mpeg2 w/mpeg audio then MF6 only convert the audio and not the video because the video is already compliant. The mpeg audio will be converted to whatever you have setup as your "Project Settings".
To change the project settings then click on the GEAR Icon -> Change Mpeg Settings -> Customize.
Change all the project settings to standard HDV setting except make the audio Dolby 5.1@ 448kbs.
I don't use menu transitions, don't care for them.

When your in the burning module to see the advanced burning options click on the downarrow to the right of the screen. Then you will see the options to create blu-ray folders.

So going by what your saying about the Samsung players, this method should work. If the Samsung blu-ray player will play a BDMV structure burnt to dvd the only question is with it playback the 3X bit-rate if using hd-mpeg2 video without stuttering.
If you only used avc/h264 video on the dvd it's so close to being an avchd disk. One difference though is MF6+ uses mpeg2 to create the menus. AVCHD disks use all avc/h264.

I already have quite a few of these disks. Now I'll have to find a Samsung player to test it out.
They do playback on the computer without any problems.