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John_Cline wrote on 8/21/2007, 2:43 PM
Vegas supporting the Intensity Pro would make a KILLER combination. As it stands right now, Vegas can't communicate with the Intensity hardware, so you can't capture with it, nor use the Intensity for real-time preview.

Vegas will, however, read and write the Intensity's uncompressed 4:2:2 YUV files which are the same format as a Sony YUV file. Unfortunately, SD YUV files are HUGE, and HD YUV files are insanely huge. Also, Vegas will not understand the Intensity's MJPEG files, although the Intensity installs a VFW MJPEG codec and every other application I have reads them fine. Vegas just says, "stream attributes cannot be determined."

For short form stuff, I've been capturing YUV files with the Intensity capture app so I can edit in Vegas. For longer stuff, I've been capturing MJPEG and editing in Premiere CS3. (Yuck!) You can also drop HDV .m2t files on the Premiere timeline and have it preview in real-time through the Intensity which outputs HDMI (or component analog) to an HD monitor. The Intensity will also downconvert HD to SD on the fly so you can edit HD on an SD monitor.

By the way, I bought two Vizio VU42L 42" 1080p LCD monitors at Costco for $1,199 each a few weeks ago to use with the Intensity Pro cards and they looks spectacular. The Vizio is a hell of a deal. Gobs of inputs of all flavors, a built-in HD tuner and the image is excellent!

Sony: SUPPORT THE INTENSITY PRO!!! Maybe Vegas v8 will....

John
farss wrote on 8/21/2007, 3:38 PM
Sony: SUPPORT THE INTENSITY PRO!!! Maybe Vegas v8 will....

I'd be happy with proper support just for the Decklink card!

I believe that Cineform do support the Intensity so that's one way to use it with Vegas without having to deal with HUGE files.

Bob.
John_Cline wrote on 8/21/2007, 3:44 PM
Yes, Cineform supports capture via the Intensity card. Unfortunately, the 10-bit 1920x1080 version of NEO-HD is $600, so I'm still mulling over the cost/benefit ratio.

John
BobbyMurcerFan wrote on 8/21/2007, 3:46 PM
If understand this problem correctly, Vegas not being able to capture becomes essentially a non-issue. You'll need to compress the files anyway, just to be able to store and work with them.

So the question becomes, "Which codec?" And the answer to that ? always seems to be Cineform's Neo HDV or Neo HD.

Cineform works with both Intensity and Vegas. So if you get Cineform, I believe your problem is solved. And you'll pretty much need Cineform anyway.

[Someone just beat me to it, LOL!]
John_Cline wrote on 8/21/2007, 3:59 PM
For the time being, I'd be satisifed if I could figure out why Vegas can't determine the stream attributes of the Intensity's MJPEG files.

John

GaryAshorn wrote on 1/18/2008, 3:25 PM
John,

Doing a search here on the forum and saw this thread. I didn't want to post this question on the other thread as it was dedicated to the BD cards and making them work with Vegas. So here in this thread the consensus, if you want to shell out the bucks, is get the BD card flavor you need for your studio, buy NEO whatever with Cineform, capture with that program and then take that file into Vegas and go? Is that correct? Then with this setup I get deck control on all my RS422a decks, capture YUV and edit in Vegas? If so I may have to go this way. I need this studio finished to do the work for my clients which are all formats brought in plus my own shoots and do the work.

Are there other cards or external capture devices you or others here have used and Vegas will recognize their files? I do appreciate the information. Thank you.

Gary
farss wrote on 1/18/2008, 3:42 PM
Hi Gary,
I've got a BMD Decklink card and as far as I can determine it does not currently work with V8. Works with V7 and an older set of BMD drivers. As of the date back then when it did work the official word still seems to have been that Vegas does not support analogue capture with BMD cards. So BetaSP is a no show. Also be aware that V7 will truncate your 10bit to 8 bit video.

Of course it'd be really very nice if SCS saw fit to say something about all of this. We're talking serious kit here and the stoney silence isn't encouraging
KnowledgeBase Answer ID 2810 dated 09/06/07 seems to be the latest communication on this topic.
Bob.
GaryAshorn wrote on 1/18/2008, 8:22 PM
Thanks Bob and I do understand the problem as it is now. I have not even loaded my VV8 on my machine. Still in the sealed wrapped and I have downloaded the updates. But not installed. Ordering a new Quad for Vegas to go onto and making sure I get a board for what I HOPE to be is a working BMD board to mount the BMD card. I want to convert my Cayman Graphics dongle from my VMPlus to VV for my titles. But unless I can find a way to make VV work with all the captures it really is a problem for me.

And hence your comment on the stoney silence is really not a good sign. Reminds me of the false hopes I got from Pinnacle when they bought out FAST and left us high and dry on that. I can't believe some third party software/hardware kid has not put out a product to do this and cut Sony out of a piece of the pie. Nothing like some good money cutting competition to force an issue. I read the knowledgebase but you have to follow up on things to make it worth anything.

I saw another post that someone recommended an AVI wrapper to make it work. We did that for VM Plus MJPEG files when we ported them to other programs to edit for specialty work. So I know this has to be fixable. That is all most files are anyway, some digital format wrapped in a header for a program to use it. And I have to believe if other programs use the BMD file then it is SONY that has it messed up. And John's comment about just make VV used their codec should be all they need to do. So talk SONY !!

Gary
farss wrote on 1/18/2008, 9:10 PM
One thing about the Intensity. Reading through the V8 manual last night it (one of the appendixes) says you have to install the 3rd party MJPEG codec for Vegas to work correctly with the files.
From what John has being saying the problem is Vegas is using it's own MJPEG codec to incorrectly decode the video. Now I'm confused and I don't have an Intensity myself but maybe, just maybe something has been missed here??

Bob.
bsuratt wrote on 1/25/2008, 2:40 PM
According to latest driver updates from Black Magic:

Intensity 1.8.2 for Win XP, Server 2003 & Vista Ultimate
20 November 2007
This release adds: Sony Vegas 8 support (Beta), Improved Media Express support for 576i and general stability and performance improvements. Please check the included "read me" for more information.

Are you using this driver update? Will Intensity Pro work with Vista Home Premium?