Support for Nvidia RTX 2070 in Vegas Pro

arthur-vanick wrote on 12/10/2018, 6:14 PM

Does/will Vegas Pro support Nvidia 2000 series gpu's?  Does Vegas Pro 16?  I currently run Vegas Pro 15 on a desktop machine  running Windows Pro 64-bit.  Mobo is Asus Z87 Deluxe, cpu is Intel 4700k running at 3.9 Ghz, 32 Gb of Corsair ram running at 1866 Mhz, and was using the AMD RX 580 - 8Gb gpu.  I just switched to the Nvidia RTX 2070 - 8 GB gpu (MSI) and Vegas Pro doesn't see the card.  What can I do?  Is there a workaround for this or do I need to find another video editor?

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OldSmoke wrote on 12/10/2018, 6:21 PM

Does/will Vegas Pro support Nvidia 2000 series gpu's?  Does Vegas Pro 16?  I currently run Vegas Pro 15 on a desktop machine  running Windows Pro 64-bit.  Mobo is Asus Z87 Deluxe, cpu is Intel 4700k running at 3.9 Ghz, 32 Gb of Corsair ram running at 1866 Mhz, and was using the AMD RX 580 - 8Gb gpu.  I just switched to the Nvidia RTX 2070 - 8 GB gpu (MSI) and Vegas Pro doesn't see the card.  What can I do?  Is there a workaround for this or do I need to find another video editor?

Is there a specific reason why wanted to switch from a perfectly good card like the RX580 to an Nvidia card?

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fr0sty wrote on 12/10/2018, 10:38 PM

That Nvidia card bests the AMD card in just about every way, and also (if the OP is into gaming) has real time ray tracing. It also has vastly improved OpenCL capabilities vs. previous Nvidia cards. That said, not of much use if Vegas can't even see it.

Have you updated drivers?

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Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

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Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

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ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

jyoungl6 wrote on 12/10/2018, 11:51 PM

I'm running VP16 and an RTX 2070 and Vegas recognizes the card just fine.

bitman wrote on 12/11/2018, 12:25 AM

I am running VP16 and VP15 with an RTX 2080ti and Vegas also recognizes the card just fine.

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bitman wrote on 12/11/2018, 12:41 AM

@OldSmoke aside of the vastly improved OpenCL in the Turing architecture, there is also the following improvements versus the older Pascal generation of Nvidia:

Turing GPUs also ship with an enhanced NVENC encoder unit that adds support for H.265 (HEVC) 8K encode at 30 fps. The new NVENC encoder provides up to 25% bitrate savings for HEVC and up to 15% bitrate savings for H.264.

Turing’s new NVDEC decoder has also been updated to support decoding of HEVC YUV444 10/12b HDR at 30 fps, H.264 8K, and VP9 10/12b HDR.

Turing improves encoding quality compared to prior generation Pascal GPUs and compared to software encoders. Figure 11 shows that on common Twitch and YouTube streaming settings, Turing’s video encoder exceeds the quality of the x264 software-based encoder using the fast encode settings, with dramatically lower CPU utilization. 4K streaming is too heavy a workload for encoding on typical CPU setups, but Turing’s encoder makes 4K streaming possible.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/
 

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  • CPU: i9-13900K (upgraded my former CPU i9-12900K),
  • Air Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 G2 HBC (September 2024 upgrade from Noctua NH-D15s)
  • RAM: DDR5 Corsair 64GB (5600-40 Vengeance)
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  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - Resolution: 3840x1600
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  • Video drives: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB (980 pro and 970 EVO plus) each 2TB
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  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS MASTER
  • PSU: Corsair HX1500i, Case: Fractal Design Define 7 (PCGH edition)
  • Misc.: Logitech G915, Evoluent Vertical Mouse, shuttlePROv2

 

 

bitman wrote on 12/11/2018, 1:13 AM

Pascal has 1 or 2 HW encoders (NVENC) build in (2 for the GeForce GTX 1070 and higher types), whilst the newer Turing "only" has 1 on most card types. This seems like a regression in the RTX, but according to Nvidia:

The video encoder in Turing GPUs has substantially improved quality and performance compared with Pascal. The overall encoding capacity of one NVENC in Turing is comparable to two NVENC’s in Pascal.

 

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  • Air Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 G2 HBC (September 2024 upgrade from Noctua NH-D15s)
  • RAM: DDR5 Corsair 64GB (5600-40 Vengeance)
  • Graphics card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 TUF OC GAMING (24GB) 
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  • Misc.: Logitech G915, Evoluent Vertical Mouse, shuttlePROv2

 

 

OldSmoke wrote on 12/11/2018, 1:33 AM

Pascal has 1 or 2 HW encoders (NVENC) build in (2 for the GeForce GTX 1070 and higher types), whilst the newer Turing "only" has 1 on most card types. This seems like a regression in the RTX, but according to Nvidia:

The video encoder in Turing GPUs has substantially improved quality and performance compared with Pascal. The overall encoding capacity of one NVENC in Turing is comparable to two NVENC’s in Pascal.

@bitman I will not dispute that the RTX is great GPU on paper and in benchmark but how does that translate to Vegas in a real world scenario? Keep in mind the OP is running it on a Z87 motherboard with a 4700k CPU.

 

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System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

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bitman wrote on 12/11/2018, 2:19 AM

@OldSmoke the real world scenario, that is the 1000 dollar question indeed?

@arthur-vanick

I was a bit deviating to your question, you have already a turing card, and Vegas (in your system) does not recognize it. I suspect (and this is speculation on my part) it may have to do with the fact you switched from amd videocard to nvidea on the same system, so there may be some amd driver stuff left over causing this, or the vegas cash/data or whatever init files still has some amd gpu stuff left over.

I would recommend :

1) finding some tools to purge amd driver left overs from your system

2) after the AMD purge, install the latest Nvidia drivers (especially important as this is a new card, and many bugs and optimizations are ongoing), best is to install the the drivers from Nvidia itself, not via the videocard manufacturer (they are lagging behind usually)

3) After the amd purge and nvidia install latest drivers, uninstall and re-install Vegas.

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  • CPU: i9-13900K (upgraded my former CPU i9-12900K),
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  • RAM: DDR5 Corsair 64GB (5600-40 Vengeance)
  • Graphics card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 TUF OC GAMING (24GB) 
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Corsair MP600 PRO XT NVMe SSD 4TB (PCIe Gen. 4)
  • Video drives: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB (980 pro and 970 EVO plus) each 2TB
  • Mass Data storage & Backup: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS MASTER
  • PSU: Corsair HX1500i, Case: Fractal Design Define 7 (PCGH edition)
  • Misc.: Logitech G915, Evoluent Vertical Mouse, shuttlePROv2

 

 

Former user wrote on 12/11/2018, 6:19 AM

Pascal has 1 or 2 HW encoders (NVENC) build in (2 for the GeForce GTX 1070 and higher types), whilst the newer Turing "only" has 1 on most card types. This seems like a regression in the RTX, but according to Nvidia:

That's interesting. I have a GTX1070, get 103fps Nvenc encode on 720p render, 68%cpu. I opened a second vegas rendered the same project, that resulted in cumulative render fps of 158fps, however i was cpu bottle necked(100%). Although I've heard the gtx1070 is supposed to have 2 NVENC encoders, I've never seen any evidence to support that in the real world, only gtx1080/ti & probably gtx1070ti with dual Nvenc.

I think vegas must only use a single Nvenc thread for encoding & when I open another vegas a 2nd nvenc encode thread uses the remaining capacity, rather than the less likely idea that vegas can only use 1 nvenc at a time & opening 2nd vegas allows use of 2nd nvenc. Still interesting to see this unused capacity lying dormant, it's something people realise is the case with threadrippers etc but not nvenc.

 

arthur-vanick wrote on 12/11/2018, 1:34 PM

@OldSmoke the real world scenario, that is the 1000 dollar question indeed?

@arthur-vanick

I was a bit deviating to your question, you have already a turing card, and Vegas (in your system) does not recognize it. I suspect (and this is speculation on my part) it may have to do with the fact you switched from amd videocard to nvidea on the same system, so there may be some amd driver stuff left over causing this, or the vegas cash/data or whatever init files still has some amd gpu stuff left over.

I would recommend :

1) finding some tools to purge amd driver left overs from your system

2) after the AMD purge, install the latest Nvidia drivers (especially important as this is a new card, and many bugs and optimizations are ongoing), best is to install the the drivers from Nvidia itself, not via the videocard manufacturer (they are lagging behind usually)

3) After the amd purge and nvidia install latest drivers, uninstall and re-install Vegas.

Thanks for the suggestions, and I tried all of them, but Vegas Pro 15 still doesn't see the new card. Not only did I remove all traces of the AMD drivers and related programs, as well as uninstall and re-install VP15, I removed any associated directories for AMD and VP15 and deleted whatever I found. I restarted after each step. Also, I was careful to install the latest card drivers straight from Nvidia and not MSI. In fact, the MSI installation disk directed me to the Nvidia site, so no problem there. Could this be a Windows 7 thing? Am running Windows 7 Pro. The only remaining step that I can see is to completely remove all of the Nvidia stuff and do a complete reinstall. Am open to any suggestions. It seems a monumental waste to have such a great card and the main program I use not to see it! My gamer son would love to have it, but that isn't going to happen.

bitman wrote on 12/11/2018, 2:39 PM

@arthur-vanick
You are on the good track, I would not be surprised it is due to windows 7.
The RTX cards need windows 7 64 bit at least.
If you are using an RTX card on windows 7 you are missing out a lot of it's cards potential such as DirectX12, and the RTX itself (even needing the latest windows 10 fall edition 1809 for the DirectX 12 DXR).

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  • CPU: i9-13900K (upgraded my former CPU i9-12900K),
  • Air Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 G2 HBC (September 2024 upgrade from Noctua NH-D15s)
  • RAM: DDR5 Corsair 64GB (5600-40 Vengeance)
  • Graphics card: ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 TUF OC GAMING (24GB) 
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Corsair MP600 PRO XT NVMe SSD 4TB (PCIe Gen. 4)
  • Video drives: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB (980 pro and 970 EVO plus) each 2TB
  • Mass Data storage & Backup: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z690 AORUS MASTER
  • PSU: Corsair HX1500i, Case: Fractal Design Define 7 (PCGH edition)
  • Misc.: Logitech G915, Evoluent Vertical Mouse, shuttlePROv2

 

 

Kinvermark wrote on 12/11/2018, 3:19 PM

You may want to try the Guru3D DDU (display driver uninstaller) for a "deep scrub." These low level things can be quite tenacious.

arthur-vanick wrote on 12/11/2018, 3:24 PM

Thanks everyone for your help. I did a clean install of the Windows 7 WHQL drivers for my Nvidia card and voila! VP 15 now sees the card! I've had similar problems with other cards/programs in the past and found that the problems went away most of the time with the Windows approved WHQL drivers from whoever made the card. Success!

arthur-vanick wrote on 12/11/2018, 3:26 PM

I know that Windows 7 Pro doesn't realize the full potential of the card but I'm not going to scrap my system at this point, or even go through the hassle of upgrading to Windows 10 at this point. Wow, can't wait to try out the new card!

fr0sty wrote on 12/11/2018, 3:33 PM

You definitely should upgrade to win10 if you don't want the majority of that card's features to go to waste.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)