Swap video files stops working?

michael-harrison wrote on 3/13/2020, 7:13 PM

For speed reasons I decided to create my own proxies for my 4k video and use the media chooser option "swap video files" to go back and forth.

I'm trying out VP 17 (possibly upgrading from 15) and I've discovered that this apparently no longer works? At least with an existing VP 15 project it doesn't.

Even though the file names are the same between the two folders, it refuses to swap videos and doesn't give me any kind of error.
 

known bug?

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Comments

michael-harrison wrote on 3/16/2020, 5:24 PM

Nobody's seen this behavior, or my post got scrolled off the first page too quickly?

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

j-v wrote on 3/17/2020, 4:24 AM

No bug here, worked as intended.
When I want to replace a file in VPro 17 I rightclick that file in Project Media and give the place on my hardware to replace it by an equal file with the same name.

For making proxies in VPro 17 the program has its own system that swaps by change of the preview. Read the manual.

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michael-harrison wrote on 3/17/2020, 10:39 AM

@j-v It seems to be intermittent. I tried it again last night and it worked but without showing the dialog indicating which files were swapped

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

michael-harrison wrote on 3/19/2020, 12:10 PM

And it just happened again. No error messages, just doesn't swap the videos.

Changing the folder names (the original and proxy folders are at the same level) lets me work around this for now.

I'll have to see about filing a Magix support request.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Robert Johnston wrote on 3/19/2020, 6:13 PM

@michael-harrison Are you swapping files where some are on an external drive? I'm having a terrible time with that. When I swap files that are on the local drive, there's no problem.

Intel Core i7 10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz (to 4.65GHz), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GBytes. Memory 32 GBytes DDR4. Also Intel UHD Graphics 630. Mainboard: Dell Inc. PCI-Express 3.0 (8.0 GT/s) Comet Lake. Bench CPU Multi Thread: 5500.5 per CPU-Z.

Vegas Pro 21.0 (Build 108) with Mocha Vegas

Windows 11 not pro

michael-harrison wrote on 3/19/2020, 9:26 PM

@Robert Johnston Hmmm. Yes, I *am* using an external drive. I'll give the internal drive a shot for a while and see what happens

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

michael-harrison wrote on 3/19/2020, 9:40 PM

@Robert Johnston Nope. Just flat out doesn't work. No error message. Just nothing.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Robert Johnston wrote on 3/20/2020, 1:33 AM

@michael-harrison Sorry that didn't work. Maybe Vegas 15 isn't compatible with 17 in that regard. Did you try a new project in Vegas 17 and swap files on just the local drive.

Have you opened your Vegas 15 project in 17, and then saved the project in 17? Or have you only opened the 15 project in 17? Use a different filename when you save the 15 project in 17. Then close and then open the 17 project you just saved. Then try swapping on local drive.

Intel Core i7 10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz (to 4.65GHz), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GBytes. Memory 32 GBytes DDR4. Also Intel UHD Graphics 630. Mainboard: Dell Inc. PCI-Express 3.0 (8.0 GT/s) Comet Lake. Bench CPU Multi Thread: 5500.5 per CPU-Z.

Vegas Pro 21.0 (Build 108) with Mocha Vegas

Windows 11 not pro

michael-harrison wrote on 3/20/2020, 9:32 AM

@Robert Johnston I've had this happen with a brand new project, though I did start out by opening a 15 project in 17 and saving it back out as a 17 file. The current failure was with a fresh 17 project that I'd moved the media over to a local drive. I'll try renaming the usb media so it has to start local, which is something I didn't think of last night

One thing I've noticed that may be unrelated, I'm not sure, is that apparently the peak file format has changed in some way. I'm opening the same media files in 15 & 17 as I evaluate upgrading and every once in a random while, one or the other will decide that it has to create new peak files for all the media.

I've got a magix ticket open and will keep this thread updated on progress with that.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

michael-harrison wrote on 3/30/2020, 9:15 AM

@Robert Johnston so far Magix hasn't been of any help. Their response was to ask for an msinfo log and then tell me to do a clean install of my intel and nvidia drivers. While that helped with VP randomly crashing at other times, they've gone silent on the replacement issue.

I'm using the Happy Otter scripts to handle switching between proxy and full res for now

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Robert Johnston wrote on 3/30/2020, 6:40 PM

@michael-harrison After the last time, I had Swap working very well. Then I ran into a problem when I tried to swap files where one file out of 20 didn't have a partner. After that, I couldn't get Swap to work in that project again, even when I added the matching file to the other folder. I think picking the wrong folder can cause a problem, and it could even be the cause of the problem I had and not the missing partner. Or could it be that I sneezed.

Whichever the cause, I have to be very careful that I pick the correct folders and that there's matched files, otherwise Swap could become bricked in that project.

I couldn't find Swap in Help. Did you?

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Intel Core i7 10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz (to 4.65GHz), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GBytes. Memory 32 GBytes DDR4. Also Intel UHD Graphics 630. Mainboard: Dell Inc. PCI-Express 3.0 (8.0 GT/s) Comet Lake. Bench CPU Multi Thread: 5500.5 per CPU-Z.

Vegas Pro 21.0 (Build 108) with Mocha Vegas

Windows 11 not pro

michael-harrison wrote on 3/31/2020, 3:26 AM

@Robert Johnston No, I haven't seen anything in the help about Swap

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

RedRob-CandlelightProdctns wrote on 7/11/2020, 3:39 PM

Having this problem the last few days in two different projects.

I have a folder called DJI_4K. That has 6 clips in it. Inside that folder is a subfolder called 720p with the same-named clips.
DJI_4K
  DJI_4K\720p

I've dropped the 720p clips into my timeline for editing. Now in my finishing work, I'm selecting the media in the project media, right-click, Swap Video Files -- I select the DJI_4K folder... nothing happens, no error, no swapping. I've done this in the past without a problem. I've confirmed the filenames match 100%.

For shits and giggle I created a new subfolder under DJI_4K called "4K" and moved the 4K media from that parent folder into the subfolder...

DJI_4K
  4K
  720p

Made no difference. When I chose the 4K as the new folder and press OK, nothing happens.

External drive (J: is mapping).

This is non-critical as there are work-arounds (manually replacing, using Vegasaur feature to do the same thing, etc), but Definitely a bug in Vegas.

 

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Vegas 21.300

My PC (for finishing):

Cyperpower PC Intel Core i7-7700K CPU @ 4.2GHz, 64GB mem @ 2133MHz RAM, AMD Radeon RX470 (4GB dedicated) with driver recommended by Vegas Updater (reports as 30.0.15021.11005 dated 4/28/22), and Intel HD Graphics 630 driver version 31.0.101.2112 dated 7/21/22 w/16GB shared memory. Windows 10 Pro 64bit version 10.0.19045 Build 19045.

My main editing laptop:

Dell G15 Special Edition 5521, Bios 1.12 9/13/22, Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621)

12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700H (14 cores, 20 logical processors), 32 GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM, Intel Iris Xe Graphics, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti Laptop GPU w/8GB GDDR6 RAM, Realtek Audio

 

 

Ustik wrote on 11/25/2020, 10:28 AM

I have the same problem, when trying to swap files - nothing happens.

No error, no dialog window, nothing.

It was working in previous versions for sure - I used it a lot of times before.

Last version of Vegas 18 (build 373)

oskari-m wrote on 12/9/2020, 8:07 AM

yes, this is so frustrating. just doesnt do anything and no warning. now i'm stuck with rendered proxies..

yassera-s wrote on 12/9/2020, 8:57 AM

For speed reasons I decided to create my own proxies for my 4k video and use the media chooser option "swap video files" to go back and forth.

I'm trying out VP 17 (possibly upgrading from 15) and I've discovered that this apparently no longer works? At least with an existing VP 15 project it doesn't.

Even though the file names are the same between the two folders, it refuses to swap videos and doesn't give me any kind of error.
 

known bug?


@michael-harrison not known bug but it is for sure a bug in Vegas 18 because I had the exact same problem few days ago. Here is the post:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/fastest-way-to-swap-proxy-with-raw-version--125782/

Vegas V18 is very unpredictable with some tools where sometime it work and sometimes it stop working for no reason. I had to move my project and files to my laptop and do swap command there, save the project and return to my desktop to finish the editing.

V18 still has many other bugs that are not recognized by magix as bugs and my guess many of them are inherited from previous versions

michael-harrison wrote on 12/9/2020, 12:06 PM

@oskari-m Depending on the size of your project, if you have a lot of media this could be painful, try using the "replace.." menu option when you right-click on a file in the media list. You can manually swap files that way

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

oskari-m wrote on 12/9/2020, 3:30 PM

doesn't work any better, just doesn't swap any file. it don't do anything, no error, no dialog. just pure "silence"

michael-harrison wrote on 12/9/2020, 4:34 PM

Hmmm. I've never had a replace fail. Can you post a short video of what you're doing? Maybe we'll see something that gives an idea of what to try next.

One thing that I *know* will work is to swap the names on the folders you used for the original proxies and original file names

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System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram