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winrockpost wrote on 9/10/2005, 10:45 AM
Not familiar with the premier transition, . Sorry , I'm probably stating the obvious but page peel wont work ?
Grazie wrote on 9/10/2005, 10:55 AM
Another way, and instead of using a trannie is to use Track Motions 3-D options. This way you treat Events as real pages that turn over. It is more fundamental and more creatively challenging than a page turn trannie.

Great thread here I just re-found through Search:-

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=346549

Mel .. you really wanna play with track motion, it is full of options.

Grazie
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/10/2005, 12:30 PM
In addition to the post Grazie pointed to which has a pointer to a tutorial I wrote on how to do this, if you have Vegas 6, you might want to the VEG file I uploaded to the VASST site. Look for 3D Book Turn (sorry its a Vegas 6 project). It will show you how this can be accomplished using 3D Track Motion.

~jr
mel58i wrote on 9/11/2005, 2:15 AM
A picture paints a thousand words, so I have put up a short clip of the sequence done in Prem. The full sequence has 15 pages.

http://www.skemheritage.org.uk/clips

If anyone can simulate this in vegas (without too much hassle) then I would like to hear. Using V5 here.

(Grazie - you'll end up with a 15 track project using 3D track motion).

Mel.
Grazie wrote on 9/11/2005, 6:48 AM
"(Grazie - you'll end up with a 15 track project using 3D track motion)."

Yup that is ONE of way of doing it. I wouldn't use 15 tracks though, could get a tad fraught. Try resetting after each event?

I've just done a "crude" media veg using 2 tracks.

I can send you the veg? I'll have top reconfigure for V5 . .V6 here.

Grazie
JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/11/2005, 6:48 AM
If you followed Grazie’s link and read my tutorial, it will show you how to do this. Very easy in Vegas 5 using Track Motion. You only need to alternate between two tracks.

~jr
Grazie wrote on 9/11/2005, 6:53 AM


AHA!

Were you waiting for me to post jr?

Anyways .. I just did a 2 track Page Turner. I'm very messy, but it DOES work. I did it from my own background of knowledge and thinking fresh about it.

LOL! ! ! ! !

Mel, if you wanna get on SKYPE, we can talk it through? I love SKYPE-ing

Grazie

mel58i wrote on 9/11/2005, 7:39 AM
Yep, ok Grazie - you can use 2 tracks and alternate.
And thanks jr for your tutorial.
Will spend more time trying to use 3D TM.
But still very happy with the way it's turned out in Prem. For the hell of it I'll give it all a whizz.

Thanks

Mel
winrockpost wrote on 9/11/2005, 8:16 AM
thats whats nice about having more than one app, Vegas is a great tool ,but cant be the best tool for everything, none of them can. Found a simple way in prem, use it, sure vegas can do it, but why drive south to go north.
mel58i wrote on 9/11/2005, 9:24 AM
My sentiments exactly winrock. Yep Vegas is is great tool and I wouldn't be without it - after a few goes it's simple to use.
But like everything else there's not one app that can do everything - I wish there was, it would make life a lot simpler.
I'm content with the way that I can make Prem do the job I want - but I only use it (or anything else) if I can't make Vegas do it simply. Yes 3D track motion is great in it's own right, but can be a struggle to make what you want if something else can do it for you using a standard effect or transition!
To us UK'ers living in the north - if you want to go to Blackpool, why travel to London first (unless you want to see Grazie on the way - sorry Graham)?

Mel.
Grazie wrote on 9/11/2005, 10:22 AM
Yeah, Mel, you stay with what you know. Simplest is best! Why reinvent the wheel eh?

Grazie
Former user wrote on 9/11/2005, 12:09 PM
This sample was created using a simple, two track VEG using plugpac 3D LE (running Vegas 5)

swing out sample

Is this the sort of thing you're looking for?

Jim

BTW - For some separation between photos I added a little bit of drop shadow using track motion.
farss wrote on 9/11/2005, 2:13 PM
None of these look realistic, how to get the page to curl like a real book. Disney was doing this decades ago but I suspect that was done with animation. I'm wondering if combining what's been done so far with the page curl FX would come closer. Given that Vegas can handle complex surfaces as used in the page curl why don't we have more direct access to them?
Bob.
Grazie wrote on 9/11/2005, 3:05 PM
"None of these look realistic, . .. . why don't we have more direct access to them?"

True and yes, can't agree with you more. Page turn? Don't do 'em!

Grazie
Former user wrote on 9/11/2005, 3:51 PM
"None of these look realistic, how to get the page to curl like a real book. "

Well, speaking for my contribution, I was just trying to duplicate the look "Mel58I" requested -- not to show the best looking page turn I could come up with...
farss wrote on 9/11/2005, 4:13 PM
No offence meant, I'm just the local curmudgeon.
Bob.
jetdv wrote on 9/11/2005, 6:38 PM
What about the book turn screen/transition in Adorage?
Grazie wrote on 9/11/2005, 10:19 PM
" I'm just the local curmudgeon " . .

But you're OUR "local curmudgeon" . . . .and we luvs yah! . . LOL!

Grazie


mel58i wrote on 9/12/2005, 1:19 AM
The book turn transition I came up with was the one that I wanted - a wedding album tends to be on the "stiff" side so I think it is more appropriate than a page curl etc in the given circumstances.

Thanks for all your input.

Mel.
TeetimeNC wrote on 9/13/2005, 4:17 AM
When I wanted a more realistic page turns for a video, here is what I did:

1. Obtained an album (high school annual in my case) to use as the prop.
2. Printed several pages to insert into the album. Each page had several green rectangles that I would use to chromakey in stills (and an occasional video clip). I gave the printed pages the same look/feel as the ones in the annual (page numbers, header, footer, paper type, etc.).
3. Inserted the fake pages into the album and placed a long piece of clear fishing line at the spline over each fake page.
4. Videoed each page turn, using the fishing line to "peel back" the real page to reveal the underlying chromakey page.
5. In Vegas, used stills and an occasional video clip to fill the green rectangles. When using video clips, I would display as a still during the page turn, then let it "come to life" after the turn.

LIMITATION
This technique doesn't (easily) allow you to do a series of several page turns in a single clip, but in my case all I needed were single page turns at various places throughout the video to introduce each new chapter. I was very pleased with the way this turned out.

-jerry
4110 wrote on 9/13/2005, 3:15 PM
My first thought was to use a Vegas Transition. I tried Page Peel with Peel Angle=180, Fold radius=1.0, Slide amount=0.0, Peel opacity=1.0, Perspective=0.0.