That is why I said "update\version".

You are a diehard SF'r - much like I used to be.

Do you realize if we combine the 156 posts on the subject it comes out to be the quintessential app (vegas\acid\dvdarch)?
Where before it was responses like "no way, don't touch vegas"...now after 156 posts it's essentially what many have been asking for.
And that was suggested when?....how long ago?

Do you really have that much faith that Sony is going to deliver all the great suggestions (which are a culmination of YEARS of the same suggestions really)?

I say "PLACEBO POST". It's time for SF to step in and update people on what will be...they're WAAAAAY behind the 8-ball when we compare it to the competition now.
A new version is LATE in my eyes.

JD

Agreed...as much as i LOVE Sf products then Vegas is bound to be on the way out of my studio.....

In modern production there are things that you have to be able to do in your program and Vegas isnt delivering.

It might if they incorporate some of the functions asked for but then im talking big changes.

funny how hard you can get hammered for suggesting this stuff like 3 years ago, and now its on everyone's tongue

Lets hope and pray that they have someone onboard EARLY that makes records for a living this time. A lot of this couldve been fixed years ago if someone like that were at the helm.

I believe Acid got Rewire in an udate, not a new version.
(Acid, that is, which doesn´t even need Rewire... it already HAS softsynths and midi.)
Vegas, however, which is crying -- screaming -- for Rewire, still hasn´t gotten it.
Que lastima.

funny how hard you can get hammered for suggesting this stuff like 3 years ago, and now its on everyone's tongue

Word.

Lets hope and pray that they have someone onboard EARLY that makes records for a living this time. A lot of this couldve been fixed years ago if someone like that were at the helm.

They have got a hell of a lot of catch up work to do on the audio features (and marketing) before the outside world is going view Vegas as a serious option.

It seems pretty clear that Vegas has become somewhat of a viable contender in the video world and this may sustain the product over time. As some have argued tho, it may be too late for Sony to make it seriously competitive in the audio market, and/or it also may not be Sony's strategy to do so. My sense is that ver 5 will really reveal where Sony is on this. Since I don't currently use midi, overall Vegas meets my needs quite well. I love the editing ease and power and this alone keeps me using it. However, midi is definitely in my near future and I'm not attracted to doing midi in one program and audio in another so I will probably be forced to consider something like Cubase or Sonar. Yuck!! ;-(

drbam

If we go another full year without some of this stuff happening then I don’t know how many audio Vegas users are going to be left standing.

I know exactly where Pipe is coming from.

You get treated like a pariah in the real world for using a program whose feature set has hardly moved over the past three years.

And you get treated like a pariah around here for even suggesting that the development philosophy is perhaps a little too conservative.

Over a period of years we have been repeatedly told why both ACID and Vegas are not allowed to go in certain directions. Question hard enough about any particular feature and you get a bunch of rationalisations about why they cannot possibly happen.

Things seem to be moving a little, but is it too late?

I wonder how relevant these programs are going to be in two years time.

...Are we going to end up being users of ‘perfectly designed’ software fossils?

Hey Chienworks,

How long has V4 been out ... A few months? Well, the definition of "few" in the dictionary is any number between 3 and 3000.... hmmmm,

.....it's been out for over a year ..... hasn't it?

"Do you realize if we combine the 156 posts on the subject it comes out to be the quintessential app (vegas\acid\dvdarch)?"

Just a quick question... How much do you think Sony would have to charge for this quintessial app?
Second part... How many customers do you think Sony would lose because of the much higher price tag?

M

Lets KILL the edit limit. We should be able to hack up projects any way we need and not have vegas bog down. Me and rednroll have hit thousands of edits I think and it really screws up a session. With the style and production and skill of music today, were going to need MORE edits not less

Agreed, Pipe. I pretty much unintentionally shot myself in the foot and couldn't even open up my final .VEG project by being safe and saving as I went along in the editing process. Luckily when I was working on this project I found a bug in Vegas and emailed the .Veg project to [SonyEPM] for Sony's repro. I ended up having to ask [Sony] to email that back to me because, it wasn't as far along in my editing process as my final version, and I had no way of getting back to that point. I ended up having to break the original .Veg project into 5 different projects, rendering each one, then creating a new .Veg project to import the seperate renders into. This was a project that consisted of 10 seperate .Wav files, split onto 2 tracks with no FX's. Pretty light on the mixing depertment, but heavy on the edits.

It wasn't a good feeling because this was a critical editing demo that I had to present to Toyota/Lexus engineering VP's an hour later, to demonstrate our surround sound amplifier and it's ability to do surround decoding and handling weak signal FM broadcast situations where the FM signal quickly switches from Stereo to Mono to Stereo to mono...etc. If this presentation didn't happen, our amplifier would have never been approved to have a surround function for radio broadcasts, and would had been a feature limitation of having the ability of surround in CD mode only. I wasn't looking forward to telling my boss, the V.P. of sales that I couldn't get the demo done, because the software I was using would no longer open all the work I had done and his work of selling our product with all the features for consumer value perception was just thrown out the door. Luckily....It all worked out and I'm still employed. :-)

Im kinda looking into vocalign to get the REALLY terible drum editing "started" to maybe alleviate some of the edit limit problem. Does vocalign work for this? Like if I threw a click track as the guide?