Text oddities ...

PeterWright wrote on 12/1/2003, 12:53 AM
Ground control to Major Tom ...

Just done the first 5 minutes of subtitling for a 25 min program ...

I've been pasting from a Word doc of the script.

I first converted the whole doc to 24pt Arial so that it copies and pastes straight into the text generator. Each new caption, I Ctrl/drag the previous text event to create a new one with the same bottom centre justification, then paste the new piece of text - a nice easy process.

Now the oddities -
1. Every now and then, at random, the pasted text comes in as Times New Roman, and I have to highlight it, scroll the font chooser up and change back to Arial. It will do 2 or 3 of these, then start behaving properly and go back to pasting Arial.

2. Whenever I copy an apostrophe as part of the text, it doesn't appear in the pasted text., and I have to place the cursor and type it back in.

Neither of these is major ... just odd.

"Here am I floating in a tin can ....."

Comments

TheHappyFriar wrote on 12/1/2003, 4:43 AM
It sounds like, for some reason, in your word file there is a font change in a space or something like that. It's wierd, but i've seen it happen and it messes with my head. :)
TomG wrote on 12/1/2003, 5:30 AM
"Ground control to Major Tom"......

Whew, that takes me back to my Vietnam days in 1971.......

TomG
farss wrote on 12/1/2003, 5:55 AM
You think that's a probelm, I was up to the wee hours correcting spelling mistakes in Chinese titles. I should add I cannot read, write or speak it.
My wife can but has never used a chinese word processor. Anyways we downloaded a 30 day trial version of NJStar, eventully worked out how to drive that and with the help of her dictionary eventually found the characters we needed then pasted it into PS and dropped that as a PNG into VV with a black mask over the misspelt stuff.

If you really want to make Windoz work hard try loading traditional chinese truetype fonts. At first I thought the NJStar WP was a bit of a rip off, to get a few extra nice looking fonts ups the price five times. But then I realised someone had to go through and create around 38,000 individual characters for each font. If I have to do this again I'm going to give them their money for the whole kit.
nrmnchan wrote on 12/1/2003, 7:04 AM
Actually if you are using Win2K or WinXP (any language version), you can type Chinese into VV's text generator without any problem. There is no need for any other third party software, you just have to activate the proper language support from Window's input / language control.
TorS wrote on 12/2/2003, 2:34 AM
Peter,
I have seen that kind of format change, but not in Vegas. In Word, the format information sometimes gets lost when you delete the last paragraph mark. Then the preceding paragraph changes into (I think) Normal style for that document. Can you have dropped some of the end paragraph marks in you copy/past process - thereby making this seem random?

Vegas does not render all symbols the way Word does. A very few comes out like something else. BillyBoy gave an explanation to this many months ago. I guess this would explain your apostrophe problem. I don't think there's a fix unless Sony decides to make Vegas conform to another standard.
Tor
PeterWright wrote on 12/2/2003, 3:01 AM
Hi Tors
Not sure what happened - I (Ctrl/A) selected ALL the text in Word and changed everything to Arial 24pt, saved and left that doc untouched, just selected pieces and copy/pasted. I've now finished the whole 25 mins, and it kept happening - every dozen or so grabs, it suddenly pasted as Times New Roman, stayed like this for two or three grabs, then spontaneously returned to Arial for another dozen or so.

The apostrophes thing was interesting - after copying and pasting, the apostrophe was visible in the Text Generator, but not in preview.
The initial apostrophe was "curly", but when I deleted it in the Generator then retyped it, it appeared immediately in Preview, but this time it was straight rather than curly, but before and after were both meant to be Arial 24pt!

Generally though, doing captions in Vegas was a doddle, especially as I never had to spend time saving or naming a single file.

Peter

p.s. how did the meeting of the cultures in London go?
busterkeaton wrote on 12/2/2003, 6:18 AM
Peter,

I bet your "Normal" style in Word is set to Times New Roman. If you have to do this again, you may want to create a Word style called "Peter" with the right margins and justification and set that style to Arial, 24 point. Set the whole document style to "Peter."

The apostrophe issue is because Word is using a typographer's apostrophe and not a character.

Here's how you fix it. This is from Word's help file in Word 2002:

Change curly quotes to straight quotes and vice versa
Microsoft Word automatically changes straight quotation marks ( ' or " ) to curly (smart or typographer's) quotes ( or ) as you type.

To turn this feature on or off:

On the Tools menu, click AutoCorrect Options, and then click the AutoFormat As You Type tab.
Under Replace as you type, select or clear the "Straight quotes" with "smart quotes" check box.
Note You can find and replace all instances of single or double curly quotes with straight quotes in your document. To do this, clear the "Straight quotes" with "smart quotes" check box on the AutoFormat As You Type tab. On the Edit menu, click Replace. In both the Find what and Replace with boxes, type ' or ", and then click Find Next or Replace All.

To replace all straight quotes with curly quotes, select the "Straight quotes" with "smart quotes" check box, and repeat the find and replace procedure
PeterWright wrote on 12/2/2003, 5:02 PM
Hey, thanks busterkeaton!

I've often been frustrated at how Word operates - now at least some of it is under control - I've added a new style, and straightened out my curls, and apostrophes now paste straight into Vegas!

Word (I still use W97) still does some strange things occasionally, like suddenly changing to overtype mode of it's own accord, but hopefully it's general behaviour will now be improved.

Thanks again.

Peter