text problem

puttes wrote on 6/23/2003, 3:51 AM
I am trying to put white text with black border on the screen but it does not seems to be possible, even though there is there is a function for it on the media generator. The text can not be seen properly as the background is to diversified. Maybe the best thing then is to lower the opacity level on the back ground...but that is not even that a good solution.Any suggestions?

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TorS wrote on 6/23/2003, 4:50 AM
If the background is too "noisy" for the text you can lower its opacity like you said. You can make the text bigger. You can put a grey background behind the text only. You can try to render just that bit to see if it's really as bad as you think. Or you can ajust the colours for the text/border to see if it becomes clearer.
Tor
puttes wrote on 6/23/2003, 3:49 PM
ja det ar val...Yes true I can try to put a grey background behind the test.Good Idea. To bad though that you cannot put border around the letters.
Chienworks wrote on 6/23/2003, 4:21 PM
How about in the Text generator, clicking on the Effects tab and adding an outline or a shadow? You can choose any color, feathering, and width for the outline, or any color, feathering, and positioning for the shadow.
puttes wrote on 6/24/2003, 1:34 AM
I have tried that but it just doesnt work.I certainly don't know why. I also got a few plug ins that doesnt work.That is my problem here.
PeterWright wrote on 6/24/2003, 1:49 AM
If Outline doesn't work you may need to reinstal Vegas. It's part of the program, so no reason it shouldn't work for you.

After applying an outline, then making a change, say different colour, the change often doesn't appear in Preview until you move the Feathering or Width slider, but apart from that I've never heard of problems.

Under the Effects tab, have you definitely checked "Draw Outline"?
TorS wrote on 6/24/2003, 2:40 AM
Maybe you are looking in the wrong place. Dratme means the effects tab in the text generator window - not the track motion or anything. You will see a tab for Shadow and one for Outline. You can adjust them as you like.
Tor
Grazie wrote on 6/24/2003, 2:42 AM
Dratme is correct, Puttes. I've done this too. The other little tweak you could try is to duplicate the text track, and either "offset" this second track or make the second track's text slightly larger - I think I've done this. - But, the Outline does work in the way you wish. I think it was Chienworks above who said, changing the White colour to someting just "off" white - maybe a very, very slight grey. Sometimes getting a "cream" colour can also work. In fact with the correct type of background, a slight cream colour will look/appear even brighter than white. very light grey can do it too. It is a very subtle piece of work - not heavy handed at all.

You can also experiment with the "Eyedropper" to get a more elegant way of selecting the colour you wish. Lots to try out.

Grazie
puttes wrote on 6/24/2003, 6:31 AM
Yes I have tried on the outlines on the effect tab and it seems like something is happening but it seems not really possible to put a black border around the letters.When you choose a dark colour or allmost black nothing happens. But if I use green or yellow it works
TorS wrote on 6/24/2003, 7:12 AM
Then it works. Tru to adjust the line thickness and/or the feather.
Tor
farss wrote on 6/24/2003, 7:19 AM
i just tried it here and I cannot make it go wrong!

Put a solid color say blue on one vid track, add track above it and put default text into it above the blue background. Now goto effets tab on event FX and tick Draw Outline, select otline as black, set width to say 0.200 and black outline should appear. I was using 72 point Ariel, on smaller / skinny fonts it maybe hard to get it right, if you dial up some feather you can create a glow around the text.

Hope this helps.
puttes wrote on 6/24/2003, 1:55 PM
Hello everybody and thanks.It seems impossible to make it work though.I have tried everyting.The aim is to make a white text with a black sharp border around so it easilly can be read over the noisy background.But if I increase the width to 0.2 as farss said it looks like a white spot and the feather fader does not work at all.Sometimes it works... but only if you use colours as red and green.For black...no!
I believe the best thing to do is to reinstal Vegas then...
Chienworks wrote on 6/24/2003, 3:05 PM
puttes, does your screen look anything like this while you're trying to apply the outline?
http://www.chienworks.com/media/text-outline.gif
farss wrote on 6/24/2003, 4:06 PM
puttes,
have you tried it with a large, fat font. You maybe trying to achieve something that video is not just capable of. It sounds like its working BUT the font is that small that the border is swamping the text. Add to that the issue of 'bounce' due to the black - white transistion causing aliasing like artifacts in the white text areas.

Thats all I can think off when you say it works with other colcors.
puttes wrote on 6/24/2003, 4:07 PM
Yes allmost, it is footage from a helicopter.Lots of moving areas of black and white.But the text on your screen does not look like mine as I cannot achive the black border.If I put the settings as you have on the effectboard it looks only blurry and unsharp
TorS wrote on 6/25/2003, 1:05 AM
God morgen!
Is there anywhere you can upload the .veg file, perhaps with a still from the footage? I do not think re-installing Vegas will help.
Tor
Grazie wrote on 6/25/2003, 3:06 AM
Kelly! Neat support! How are getting along with the options we spoke of? I'd like to upload some "assistance" too.

Puttes please give us an example - I'm truly intrigued with this.

Grazie
puttes wrote on 6/26/2003, 1:37 AM
Yes I would believe that is something that is close to the truth.I will try to put a grey board behind the text and make it as transparent as is required to make the text readable.Grazie, how do you want an example?
Grazie wrote on 6/26/2003, 2:28 AM
Hi Puttes.

Chienworks is toying with the idea of getting a workbench type site up and running - server pressure notwithstanding! - Ermmmm . . . . do you have a sharable website portal? I'm a bit loathe to sticking up or asking people to give out emails - spamming and all that -yeah?

But a "screen" shot of the menus you've used - eg Chienworks - would be good. As well as a screen shot of the effect or lack of, you are presently getting - yeah? At a pinch you could ask Chienworks if he wouldn't mind you uploading a small clip to his vegas users site. - I think you've already been invited to share with us the veg file. This would give us a clue to the actual "settings" for this outline business.

Hmmm... we need a Test Bench site SoFo! I've asked for this before - but I reckon they have enough on their plates - what with the Sony deal and the like.

Dunno, Puttes . . . . ;-)

Think on - Grazie
Chienworks wrote on 6/26/2003, 6:46 AM
For the moment, folks could send stuff to me at testbench@vegasusers.com and i'll get it posted somewhere, somehow.
puttes wrote on 6/26/2003, 7:30 AM
OK.I am with you...Ive sent a few screenshots, remains to see if it can illustrate my problem.
Chienworks wrote on 6/26/2003, 9:53 AM
http://www.vegasusers.com/testbench/screenshots/puttes-picture046.jpg
http://www.vegasusers.com/testbench/screenshots/puttes-picture056.jpg

One curious thought ... might this be a keyframe problem? Puttes, you don't have the keyframe timeline visible on your screen. It's possible that you're setting these parameters to happen later on in the title ... possibly even after the end of what's visible in your project. We can't see when you are applying the effects.
Grazie wrote on 6/26/2003, 12:27 PM
Yup - Kelly that's one thing - I can't see a single K/F, not even at the beginning. Puttes, can you increase the view on the K/F timeline so we can see what's there? Another thing, your project has a frame size of 720x576, but the media has a frame size of 720x480, will this make any difference? My Frame size matches my Project Frame size - 720x576 - PAL here. - But I'd also go with a larger type face - much larger - try 72font, just for a test - yeah? See what that does.

We'll get there,

Grazie
puttes wrote on 6/26/2003, 1:36 PM
OK next screenshot with font 72 and keyframe visualised in the medium!I believe keyframe is off.
About the framesize...Does the Project framesize have to match the Framesize....or...?
Chienworks wrote on 6/26/2003, 1:39 PM
http://www.vegasusers.com/testbench/screenshots/puttes-picture011.jpg

What's frustratingly intriguing is that i can see the black outline around the text in the timeline. Very weird!