the correct video quality standards...

ahfoon wrote on 8/13/2003, 11:06 PM
I use Vegas 4 and I love the ability to animate and manipulate graphics! My problem is that I know little about rendering - and what quality is standard.

The guy I just started working with edits video using a Mac and Final Cut 3 - with project properties of 720 x 480 DV NTSC 48khz. Since I'm supposed to be creating titles and graphic animations for his final cut, I wanted to take a crack at a rough cut with raw footgage straight from the source into my PC (ASUS a7v333, XP). However, when I load video from his Mini DV camera at 720 x 480, save it as an AVI, edit in Vegas 4 and then render down to an AVI (720 x 480) it just doesn't look right! The quality seems lower or something... His stuff looks better!

I tried to render to Quicktime 5 (only version included with vegas) and it blows!! I gotta be missing something!

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farss wrote on 8/13/2003, 11:15 PM
Which part looks different, the text or the background video that you loaded off his camera?

I'm told that Macs push the gamma a lot more than PCs so video 'looks' better on their monitors but once its rendered out and played on normal video gear there is no difference.

By default VV renders at the best possible settings for DV, unless you've changed the default templates you've got to go into custom settings to lower the quality settings.

I assume you bought the footage from the miniDV camera in via firewire?
TheHappyFriar wrote on 8/13/2003, 11:23 PM
I've used Vegas with DVCPro (which is better then DV) and didn't notice a lower quality at all. Rendered out, etc. You must have a rendering setting changed from a template somewhere. Use the NTSC DV template, that should work. Try playing the AVI on his computer too. Maybe it's your video card.
BillyBoy wrote on 8/14/2003, 12:09 AM
There is a difference in PC and Mac gamma settings. So an image created on a Mac can and likely will look darker on a PC screen. Conversely a image created on a PC, can and frequently will look pale on the Mac. A correctly calibrated TV will have a gamma of about 2.2. While a Mac has about 1.8 and a PC will have about 2.5.

See where I'm going yet?

Remember with TV and computers the image's hue is made from three primary colors. Red, Green and Blue. If you look at any color patch that allows adjustment of hue in any computer graphic application including Vegas you'll see the values of each primary color can range from 0 to 255 with the higher value producing the most intense shade. Varations of the three primary colors produce all in-between hues. What you may not know is varations in gamma result in a hue shift.

In Caucasians, especially the red component mostly in highlights and to a lessor extent the mid range and shadows in skin tones can be shifted to the red on one platform and to the blue on the other. So a good looking skintone created on a Mac because of the difference in gamma can result is a cooked lobster look if brought into a PC platform graphic program. Same image looking right created on a PC brought into a Mac can look blueish, like the person was in the deep freeze.

Another reason to view on an external monitor that if setup correctly has a gamma somewhere between the gamma settings of a Mac and PC computer monitor.


Julius_911 wrote on 8/14/2003, 11:37 AM
TheHappyFriar (Steve),...I'm curious to know how you are using the DVCPro with vegas? I too have a DVCpro camera (D210) with only analog outputs. I was thinking of getting a deck with firefire but when I found out that Vegas does not support DVCPro, I stopped.

Don't want to intrude on this thread, so if you wanna email me at
ggranata@speedware.com

Thanks