the other mans grass ISN'T greener....

ushere wrote on 5/18/2012, 2:00 AM
just to let you know that i finally got round to (attempting to) install cs6.

absolute nightmare as it not only didn't install (error list posted over at abode), it wrecked my pd and dreamweaver installations!

reverted back to image created just before install. sigh, back to normal.

adobe forum help there from other users, but no help from adobe, unless i want to call from aus to us!!!

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PeterDuke wrote on 5/18/2012, 4:05 AM
I'd be interested to hear what the conflicts were when you get it all sorted out. (Hope for your sake it is soon).

I have installed CS5.5 with no dramas at all.
ushere wrote on 5/18/2012, 5:30 AM
hi peter,

i could post the error report(s), but i think it might clog up the server ;-(

i used adobe's clean tool and even tried 5.5, same errors.

at the present rate i'm thinking i'll leave it till next year when i'm due to upgrade my pc. i really don't have the time, or for that matter the inclination to do a clean os install.

it's been suggest i try a new profile and see if i can install in that, but i'm a bit out of my depth in that area of pc expertise. life is glorious out here in whoop-whoop, but there's only the dogs to hear me scream.....

farss wrote on 5/18/2012, 5:38 AM
Never had a problem installing Adob's CS suites. I did have one authentication issue and that was sorted out very quickly by one phone call to a toll free number from memory.
If you have to call a USA number use Skype, basically it'll cost you nothing.


Bob.
vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/18/2012, 6:11 AM
ushere, did you download the massive installer or was it from disc? It's a long way from the U.S. Perhaps there was a hiccup in the pipeline that munged the installer component(s). Fresh download?

I downloaded and installed CS6 last night, mainly for PS, AI, and AE. The new cache features of AE x64 make timeline performance SO much better than in AE 5.5. Hope it works for you eventually.
david-ruby wrote on 5/18/2012, 11:16 AM
I did 5.5 and now cs6 and had no install problems. Sorry to hear that. Hope you give another try. I am really getting some good things from cs6. My assistant now uses Vegas for simple hdv files for small projects. The bigger clients I am using cs6 h. 264 with no hiccups. But like all new version progs there will be a few burps a comin. ; )
rmack350 wrote on 5/18/2012, 12:58 PM
I've installed 5.0, 5.5, and 6.0 on my own personal machines without a problem, but the machine at work has 4.0 installed and that's been a pretty bad experience. Adobe updater doesn't work, extension manager doesn't work, but core functionality is fine. I just can't update anything.

I don't think Adobe understood Windows 7 and permissions at the time they released CS4. I'm guessing that if I want to update things at work I might end up needing to do a full OS reinstall.

If you do an OS rebuild remember to deactivate your current Adobe products first, and then when you try again to install CS6 don't install the previous products. The installer will ask for their serial number and that's all you should need.

Rob
Guy S. wrote on 5/18/2012, 1:17 PM
<<The new cache features of AE x64 make timeline performance SO much better than in AE 5.5.>>

It's actually MUCH worse for me. Just got it yesterday and watched Adobe's video on setting up AE while following along. I first set up the cache on my 10k RPM swap/temp drive and when that didn't work I switched it to my Intel SSHD system drive (yeah, I know...).

With just three layers (Canon HDSLR video + 2 layers with Stroke effect applied to a path) the play head advances slowly, then pauses while the disk grinds away - but a solid blue bar never appears. The best I get is sporadic "dots" of blue indicating that just a few frames have been cached.

I created the project a couple of weeks ago in AE 5.5 and frankly that version seems to work better. I'm about to check out Adobe's AE forum but if you've got any ideas I'd love to hear them.
vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/18/2012, 1:42 PM
Guy, I jumped into the deep end right away and didn't spend much time kicking the tires (to horribly mix metaphors). Maybe was a dumb thing to do. Like you did initially, I use a 10K Raptor for all scratch. You can see my system specs. Modest/old CPU, screaming GPU. No disk crunching here.

I scrubbed through some 1280x720 projects from Lynda.com with good performance. I could almost play real-time. RAM previews were pretty quick (and they got cached). I almost always had a solid green bar.

I threw on some 1920x1080 cineform avi's and tried the 3D camera tracker. Wow. Still good timeline performance. But when I added 3D extruded text and a light with the ray tracer 3D setting, things slowed down and my GPU then turned into a fire-breathing monster.

I kept the viewport at 100%, full quality. The resolution selector (whatever that drop-down thing is called at the lower right of the viewport) was set to "adaptive." That's my sauce, I guess.

Funny thing: the Lynda.com instructor kept apologizing for delays in viewport updates when he resized the view. It was bad. On my machine, it was instantaneous. I think my GPU is being utilized much better than it was in AE 5.5.

I noticed very happily that as I scrubbed back-and-forth, AE rendered little bits (showing as green at the top of the timeline). The more I scrubbed, the more it rendered.

I'm sorry if this wasn't took helpful. I've had CS6 for less than a day and I'm still trying out new features. I seemed to have picked the right settings in AE (see above) that work for me.

I see AE as a very nice compliment to my video editing in Vegas and modeling/animation in Cinema4D. Post back if you get AE to work any better.
Guy S. wrote on 5/18/2012, 3:07 PM
Hmmm... Our system specs are fairly close. I'm using a 6-core Xeon with a slightly lower clock speed and my graphics card has fewer CUDA cores, but still roughly equivalent to a Quadro 4000.

Resolution is Auto and AE keeps it at 100%, and I've got adaptive turned on and set to 1/8. If I turn off the video layer the AE plays the stroke path effect much faster, but either way it doesn't appear to be caching any of the data.

You said that you were initially using a Raptor - what are you using now?
vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/18/2012, 5:19 PM
Guy, sorry for my rambling reply. Just goes to show that this guy (no pun intended) can't really multi-task.

I'm in front of my editing rig now. I dedicate my Raptor for AE's Disk Cache, which I have set in AE to a maximum of 14GB. I use the same Raptor for the Conformed Media Cache's Database and actual Cache (all within Pref's, as you know.)

The Memory pref allocates 6GB of my total 8GB to AE. I ticked "render multiple frames simultaneously", and AE says that just 2 of 4 CPU cores will be used.

I think I left all other settings pretty much how they were straight off the truck.

Just now I tossed one of Digital Juice's Toxic Type projects on my AE timeline (1920 x 1080). Lots of generated media and many layers. My system choked on this one. No scrubbing. RAM previews would be a joke.

Still, I opened one of the embedded precomps and let it render to my cache in the background while I worked on other parts of the project.

I think my initial enthusiasm came about as a result of the 720p material that I tinkered with. Maybe our experiences aren't so different after all.

Steve
[r]Evolution wrote on 5/18/2012, 9:03 PM
Adobe CS6's Grass is a Lot Greener to me.

No problems on install.
No problems on Mac or PC.
Guy S. wrote on 5/21/2012, 5:43 PM
<<Lots of generated media and many layers. My system choked on this one. No scrubbing. RAM previews would be a joke. >>

I had our head IT guy look at my system today. Went through Adobe's video on optimizing After Effects and checked everything possible on my machine; it doesn't appear to be writing information to the disk cache.

He's going to install it on a new 8-core, enable hyper threading, install 24GB of RAM and a Quadro 4000 so that we can match as closely as possible Adobe's demo system. I expect to have some results tomorrow.