The woeful perils of "Insert Time"

monchavo wrote on 2/4/2005, 9:52 AM
Hello fellow Vegas lovers. I've been trolling for a while, but thought I'd ask a question
as an irritating little scenario has presented itself.

I finished a project in Vegas 5, then had the bright idea of adding some fancy credits to the start of the piece. I used Insert > Time to add a minute to the start of the project. I finished the credits, then began to watch the entire piece. To my horror, my complex audio envelope work on the audio tracks was completely out of kilter. Retracing my steps, I think that Auto Ripple was turned off when i used the "Insert Time" function.

I looked in help for "deleting time" or moving events in an appropriate way, but have found no "silver bullet solution". Indeed, the help function is good, but I can't find a solution....

A few questions for the wise owls:
1. Without going through and moving them all manually, how can I restore the audio clip's intended relational positions to their track applied envelopes?
2. How can I export a group of events to a separate project?
3. How do I avoid this situation in the future? Is it just a simple matter of turning Riipple ON before using the "Insert time" function?

Many thanks

I hope to be able to help other newbies as they come on this forum - I've found I could already answer some of their questions!! :)

cheers

chavo

Comments

gordyboy wrote on 2/4/2005, 10:58 AM
I sympathise with your woes having learned the hard way also!

1. Well if you've already saved the project, you won't be able to use multiple 'undo's' to repair the damage (do you have an earlier version of the veg file to work from?).

2. By opening two versions of Vegas at the same time, ie the old project and the new one and copying and pasting the events from the old into the new project.

3. You need to use the 'lock envelopes to events' setting in 'options' menu before inserting time. Then the envelopes will stay put even once additional time is inserted.

Cheers

gordyboy
monchavo wrote on 2/4/2005, 11:05 AM
Gordy -

Opening two instances is such a cludgy way to fix it, "Hey, Sony! How about an "Export Events" option?" but yes, that's what I'll have to do.

I'll take the intro/credit roll from the sexy 2nd version with screwed up audio enveloping and fit them into the pre-screwed up version.

Multiple version saving is a habit picked up from photoshop/.beta software. I never liked resaving over the old file. Never....

Oh well, Thanks for the time you spent in answering.
monchavo wrote on 2/4/2005, 11:07 AM
OT:

Just moving this one on a little further, isn't there a requirement for the packaging of discreet events? I mean, credit rolls, idents and soforth could be multitrack and usefully packaged for import and export out of one Vegas project into another?

Just a feature idea.. I know I'd use it...
filmy wrote on 2/4/2005, 12:27 PM
Just an FYI - Rather than save multiple instances of a project you could also use Tortoise Cvs. I have been using it now as a back up method in case anyone wants to go back to another version. It is free so you don't have anything to loose by trying it out at least.
JackW wrote on 2/4/2005, 4:01 PM
As part of the work flow, I always do a "Save As" and increment the file name by one -- e.g., "Promo5.veg," Saved As "Promo6.veg" -- before doing any really major adjustment to the work. That way, if Promo6 gets messed up, I really haven't lost anything except the time spent on the new work, and can go back to version 5 easily. .veg files are so small that doing this doesn't take up a significant amount of hard drive space.

Jack
monchavo wrote on 2/4/2005, 4:05 PM
Jack - yes - exactly what I do - the filesize is totally insignificant, and it's a splendid habit. My girlfriend was wondering what all these files called "Grey Vegetables" one through six were all about.... :)


post script: thanks for the info on Tortoise CVS, very useful...
theceo wrote on 2/5/2005, 10:27 PM
you can add time across all tracks by having an empty track. insert the time by clicking on the empty track twice. the extra time will be added to all tracks then and not just one track which keeps everything in sync
PeterWright wrote on 2/6/2005, 12:37 AM
> "3. How do I avoid this situation in the future? Is it just a simple matter of turning Riipple ON before using the "Insert time" function?"

My solution is NEVER to use Auto Ripple.

Post Edit ripple is only a single keypress away on my Contour Shuttle Pro (otherwise Ctrl/Shift/F), and it gives me total control of whether and when I ripple after moving or deleting something.

[For post edit rippling on a single track - it's already on a single key - F.]