Thanx Charles.:-)
Now I am totally saddened by the lack of information on this
product.If I truly new this to start I would have not bothered on the
purchase.You gave everything rather nicely to the program,but forgot
some VERY important things for editing.I guess I can only see what
the update holds,but my biz must carry on without the Vegas at this
point.This really is sad.Specially since I purchased now!Do not get
me wrong.I really do love the program,but in the real world rendering
over files already in other editlists is very important.Especially to
the clients paying for the time it takes to put it all together
again!!!Please respond.
Thank you.

Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>David -
>>I'm afraid to say I know for a fact that you cannot overwrite a
file
>>with Vegas that exists anywhere in your current project. You have
to
>>remove that file from the Media Pool and from any track (in v.2.0)
or
>>remove the file from the track view and then close vegas and reopen
>>it (with 1.0b). The file can't exist anywhere in the project. You
can
>>rename a file in the windows explorer (I think) if Vegas is not in
>>focus and you have the pref set to close files while Vegas is not
in
>>focus. Then when you return to Vegas, it should find the newly
>>renamed file. So, that may be the answer (this being with 2.0) -
Have
>>the Windows Exploere open and toggle between the two. Render the
>>stereo file with a new name, alt-tab to the explorer, rename to the
>>filename that exists in your project and it should use the new one
or
>>at least ask you where it is....
>>
>>good luck.
>>
>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>Ok I am in the middle of an edit list change for a client
>>>>who is watching me like a hawk.
>>>>Our edit list contains 6 stereo files that have been
>>>>rendered to one stereo track.They wanted some changes in
>>>>one of the stereo files that made up the one rendered
>>>>(finished) stereo file.So as I usually do in other programs
>>>>I do the adjustments for the client to this one stereo
>>>>file.Well then I go to render the stereo files again to
>>>>make our final stereo track using the same file name as the
>>>>previous
>>>>fin mix and instead of over writing the previous track it
>>>>says an error occurred,cannot overwrite.
>>>>Tell me you can overwrite same named files in an
>>>>editlist.Tell me you do not have to have the file not in
>>>>the editlist;Already tried that as well,no go.
>>>>Only way I saved my ass was to use a diff name then,of all
>>>>things this rendered file was only part of another cut up
>>>>section of editlist else where!!!!!I had to go and redo
>>>>that as well with this new named one.Then burn.
>>>>Ouch,
>>>>I hope I missed something here because this is not effecient
>>>>if this is the case.Real world tests are the only way to
>>>>really see how we work.
>>>>Show me the mistake I made.........
>>>>Thanx guys.

David-
The idea from the start was that Vegas is a non-destructive editor-
your original media remains untouched. Many many users believe this
is critical in any environment where you'll have many different mixes
of the same source material. Even more importantly, recording
directly into Vegas means there is only one instance of that
performance- mistakenly add some "incorrect" processing or edit out a
critical section and you can ALWAYS recover the original- not so in a
destructive editor.

At any rate, we are always interested in user feedback, so keep it
coming.

Thanks-

David Hill
Engineering Project Manager
www.sonicfoundry.com



David W. Ruby wrote:
>>Thanx Charles.:-)
>>Now I am totally saddened by the lack of information on this
>>product.If I truly new this to start I would have not bothered on
the
>>purchase.You gave everything rather nicely to the program,but
forgot
>>some VERY important things for editing.I guess I can only see what
>>the update holds,but my biz must carry on without the Vegas at this
>>point.This really is sad.Specially since I purchased now!Do not get
>>me wrong.I really do love the program,but in the real world
rendering
>>over files already in other editlists is very important.Especially
to
>>the clients paying for the time it takes to put it all together
>>again!!!Please respond.
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>David -
>>>>I'm afraid to say I know for a fact that you cannot overwrite a
>>file
>>>>with Vegas that exists anywhere in your current project. You have
>>to
>>>>remove that file from the Media Pool and from any track (in
v.2.0)
>>or
>>>>remove the file from the track view and then close vegas and
reopen
>>>>it (with 1.0b). The file can't exist anywhere in the project. You
>>can
>>>>rename a file in the windows explorer (I think) if Vegas is not
in
>>>>focus and you have the pref set to close files while Vegas is not
>>in
>>>>focus. Then when you return to Vegas, it should find the newly
>>>>renamed file. So, that may be the answer (this being with 2.0) -
>>Have
>>>>the Windows Exploere open and toggle between the two. Render the
>>>>stereo file with a new name, alt-tab to the explorer, rename to
the
>>>>filename that exists in your project and it should use the new
one
>>or
>>>>at least ask you where it is....
>>>>
>>>>good luck.
>>>>
>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>Ok I am in the middle of an edit list change for a client
>>>>>>who is watching me like a hawk.
>>>>>>Our edit list contains 6 stereo files that have been
>>>>>>rendered to one stereo track.They wanted some changes in
>>>>>>one of the stereo files that made up the one rendered
>>>>>>(finished) stereo file.So as I usually do in other programs
>>>>>>I do the adjustments for the client to this one stereo
>>>>>>file.Well then I go to render the stereo files again to
>>>>>>make our final stereo track using the same file name as the
>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>fin mix and instead of over writing the previous track it
>>>>>>says an error occurred,cannot overwrite.
>>>>>>Tell me you can overwrite same named files in an
>>>>>>editlist.Tell me you do not have to have the file not in
>>>>>>the editlist;Already tried that as well,no go.
>>>>>>Only way I saved my ass was to use a diff name then,of all
>>>>>>things this rendered file was only part of another cut up
>>>>>>section of editlist else where!!!!!I had to go and redo
>>>>>>that as well with this new named one.Then burn.
>>>>>>Ouch,
>>>>>>I hope I missed something here because this is not effecient
>>>>>>if this is the case.Real world tests are the only way to
>>>>>>really see how we work.
>>>>>>Show me the mistake I made.........
>>>>>>Thanx guys.

Hi David -
Just a suggestion - it might be cool for your client to render the
stereo files as different "takes" and actually add them as takes to
the 1st rendered file in the track view. Then you could toggle (with
the T key) through the different versions of the rendered stereo
file. Of course, maybe you're worried about disk space. I find
everything to work so quickly in Vegas (especially with the unlimited
undo) that even what I offered as a suggestion shouldn't take more
than a second or two... I know it's hard with the client breathing
down your neck!

good luck

David W. Ruby wrote:
>>Thanx Charles.:-)
>>Now I am totally saddened by the lack of information on this
>>product.If I truly new this to start I would have not bothered on
the
>>purchase.You gave everything rather nicely to the program,but
forgot
>>some VERY important things for editing.I guess I can only see what
>>the update holds,but my biz must carry on without the Vegas at this
>>point.This really is sad.Specially since I purchased now!Do not get
>>me wrong.I really do love the program,but in the real world
rendering
>>over files already in other editlists is very important.Especially
to
>>the clients paying for the time it takes to put it all together
>>again!!!Please respond.
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>David -
>>>>I'm afraid to say I know for a fact that you cannot overwrite a
>>file
>>>>with Vegas that exists anywhere in your current project. You have
>>to
>>>>remove that file from the Media Pool and from any track (in
v.2.0)
>>or
>>>>remove the file from the track view and then close vegas and
reopen
>>>>it (with 1.0b). The file can't exist anywhere in the project. You
>>can
>>>>rename a file in the windows explorer (I think) if Vegas is not
in
>>>>focus and you have the pref set to close files while Vegas is not
>>in
>>>>focus. Then when you return to Vegas, it should find the newly
>>>>renamed file. So, that may be the answer (this being with 2.0) -
>>Have
>>>>the Windows Exploere open and toggle between the two. Render the
>>>>stereo file with a new name, alt-tab to the explorer, rename to
the
>>>>filename that exists in your project and it should use the new
one
>>or
>>>>at least ask you where it is....
>>>>
>>>>good luck.
>>>>
>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>Ok I am in the middle of an edit list change for a client
>>>>>>who is watching me like a hawk.
>>>>>>Our edit list contains 6 stereo files that have been
>>>>>>rendered to one stereo track.They wanted some changes in
>>>>>>one of the stereo files that made up the one rendered
>>>>>>(finished) stereo file.So as I usually do in other programs
>>>>>>I do the adjustments for the client to this one stereo
>>>>>>file.Well then I go to render the stereo files again to
>>>>>>make our final stereo track using the same file name as the
>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>fin mix and instead of over writing the previous track it
>>>>>>says an error occurred,cannot overwrite.
>>>>>>Tell me you can overwrite same named files in an
>>>>>>editlist.Tell me you do not have to have the file not in
>>>>>>the editlist;Already tried that as well,no go.
>>>>>>Only way I saved my ass was to use a diff name then,of all
>>>>>>things this rendered file was only part of another cut up
>>>>>>section of editlist else where!!!!!I had to go and redo
>>>>>>that as well with this new named one.Then burn.
>>>>>>Ouch,
>>>>>>I hope I missed something here because this is not effecient
>>>>>>if this is the case.Real world tests are the only way to
>>>>>>really see how we work.
>>>>>>Show me the mistake I made.........
>>>>>>Thanx guys.

thanx to both of you for understanding my situation.And sorry if I
sounded totally suicidal,hahahaha.:-)
Here is how we work on some software programs;Start with a editlist
say drums.After tracking start another editlist titled say
guitars.What we do is create a drum mix track that is used in guitar
editlist to use less track/cpu use plus as you go you are mixing the
drums at the same time.What happens is you end up doing guitars and
bass,then go back to your drum editlist and tweak drums more then
overwrite your previous stereodrumfile that is used on other
editlists.By the time you get to doing the vox, your drums are
happenin quite well.But if you have tricky things such as cuts in
your drum list somewhere else;another editlist,Then you have to
manually redo it's position.
What we were working on the other nite was stereo files that were on
seperate trax that were pieces that made up the end stereo file once
rendered.They came back to redo two of the pieces;simple volume and
eq.So You this meant re render.
I am also understanding that probably most of you use one editlist
for all.This is new to us due to other programs giving you only 32
trax at a time.Maybe we should try now to use one editlist and not
split them up.
WHEEEEEWWWWWW......
Sorry for boring you all.I really do appreciate the help and ideas.
I think we will try using onelist because I really am digging the
Vegas!!If anything as far as cpu usage,we can always create a scratch
drummix file and dub to that.
Thanx again

Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>Hi David -
>>Just a suggestion - it might be cool for your client to render the
>>stereo files as different "takes" and actually add them as takes to
>>the 1st rendered file in the track view. Then you could toggle
(with
>>the T key) through the different versions of the rendered stereo
>>file. Of course, maybe you're worried about disk space. I find
>>everything to work so quickly in Vegas (especially with the
unlimited
>>undo) that even what I offered as a suggestion shouldn't take more
>>than a second or two... I know it's hard with the client breathing
>>down your neck!
>>
>>good luck
>>
>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>Thanx Charles.:-)
>>>>Now I am totally saddened by the lack of information on this
>>>>product.If I truly new this to start I would have not bothered on
>>the
>>>>purchase.You gave everything rather nicely to the program,but
>>forgot
>>>>some VERY important things for editing.I guess I can only see
what
>>>>the update holds,but my biz must carry on without the Vegas at
this
>>>>point.This really is sad.Specially since I purchased now!Do not
get
>>>>me wrong.I really do love the program,but in the real world
>>rendering
>>>>over files already in other editlists is very
important.Especially
>>to
>>>>the clients paying for the time it takes to put it all together
>>>>again!!!Please respond.
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>>>David -
>>>>>>I'm afraid to say I know for a fact that you cannot overwrite a
>>>>file
>>>>>>with Vegas that exists anywhere in your current project. You
have
>>>>to
>>>>>>remove that file from the Media Pool and from any track (in
>>v.2.0)
>>>>or
>>>>>>remove the file from the track view and then close vegas and
>>reopen
>>>>>>it (with 1.0b). The file can't exist anywhere in the project.
You
>>>>can
>>>>>>rename a file in the windows explorer (I think) if Vegas is not
>>in
>>>>>>focus and you have the pref set to close files while Vegas is
not
>>>>in
>>>>>>focus. Then when you return to Vegas, it should find the newly
>>>>>>renamed file. So, that may be the answer (this being with 2.0) -

>>>>Have
>>>>>>the Windows Exploere open and toggle between the two. Render
the
>>>>>>stereo file with a new name, alt-tab to the explorer, rename to
>>the
>>>>>>filename that exists in your project and it should use the new
>>one
>>>>or
>>>>>>at least ask you where it is....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>>>Ok I am in the middle of an edit list change for a client
>>>>>>>>who is watching me like a hawk.
>>>>>>>>Our edit list contains 6 stereo files that have been
>>>>>>>>rendered to one stereo track.They wanted some changes in
>>>>>>>>one of the stereo files that made up the one rendered
>>>>>>>>(finished) stereo file.So as I usually do in other programs
>>>>>>>>I do the adjustments for the client to this one stereo
>>>>>>>>file.Well then I go to render the stereo files again to
>>>>>>>>make our final stereo track using the same file name as the
>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>fin mix and instead of over writing the previous track it
>>>>>>>>says an error occurred,cannot overwrite.
>>>>>>>>Tell me you can overwrite same named files in an
>>>>>>>>editlist.Tell me you do not have to have the file not in
>>>>>>>>the editlist;Already tried that as well,no go.
>>>>>>>>Only way I saved my ass was to use a diff name then,of all
>>>>>>>>things this rendered file was only part of another cut up
>>>>>>>>section of editlist else where!!!!!I had to go and redo
>>>>>>>>that as well with this new named one.Then burn.
>>>>>>>>Ouch,
>>>>>>>>I hope I missed something here because this is not effecient
>>>>>>>>if this is the case.Real world tests are the only way to
>>>>>>>>really see how we work.
>>>>>>>>Show me the mistake I made.........
>>>>>>>>Thanx guys.

The RENDER TO... choice is what I was looking for.Did not get that
one through manual.I would suggest maybe a tutorial of doing an
actual session.I would love to help.I can say we are totally happy
with the work we can do in Vegas Video!!!!!And now we are even more
happier since we can carry on our work through Vegas Video.
Again Thanx for the great product and the tech support.
:-)

David W. Ruby wrote:
>>thanx to both of you for understanding my situation.And sorry if I
>>sounded totally suicidal,hahahaha.:-)
>>Here is how we work on some software programs;Start with a editlist
>>say drums.After tracking start another editlist titled say
>>guitars.What we do is create a drum mix track that is used in
guitar
>>editlist to use less track/cpu use plus as you go you are mixing
the
>>drums at the same time.What happens is you end up doing guitars and
>>bass,then go back to your drum editlist and tweak drums more then
>>overwrite your previous stereodrumfile that is used on other
>>editlists.By the time you get to doing the vox, your drums are
>>happenin quite well.But if you have tricky things such as cuts in
>>your drum list somewhere else;another editlist,Then you have to
>>manually redo it's position.
>>What we were working on the other nite was stereo files that were
on
>>seperate trax that were pieces that made up the end stereo file
once
>>rendered.They came back to redo two of the pieces;simple volume and
>>eq.So You this meant re render.
>>I am also understanding that probably most of you use one editlist
>>for all.This is new to us due to other programs giving you only 32
>>trax at a time.Maybe we should try now to use one editlist and not
>>split them up.
>>WHEEEEEWWWWWW......
>>Sorry for boring you all.I really do appreciate the help and ideas.
>>I think we will try using onelist because I really am digging the
>>Vegas!!If anything as far as cpu usage,we can always create a
scratch
>>drummix file and dub to that.
>>Thanx again
>>
>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>Hi David -
>>>>Just a suggestion - it might be cool for your client to render
the
>>>>stereo files as different "takes" and actually add them as takes
to
>>>>the 1st rendered file in the track view. Then you could toggle
>>(with
>>>>the T key) through the different versions of the rendered stereo
>>>>file. Of course, maybe you're worried about disk space. I find
>>>>everything to work so quickly in Vegas (especially with the
>>unlimited
>>>>undo) that even what I offered as a suggestion shouldn't take
more
>>>>than a second or two... I know it's hard with the client
breathing
>>>>down your neck!
>>>>
>>>>good luck
>>>>
>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>Thanx Charles.:-)
>>>>>>Now I am totally saddened by the lack of information on this
>>>>>>product.If I truly new this to start I would have not bothered
on
>>>>the
>>>>>>purchase.You gave everything rather nicely to the program,but
>>>>forgot
>>>>>>some VERY important things for editing.I guess I can only see
>>what
>>>>>>the update holds,but my biz must carry on without the Vegas at
>>this
>>>>>>point.This really is sad.Specially since I purchased now!Do not
>>get
>>>>>>me wrong.I really do love the program,but in the real world
>>>>rendering
>>>>>>over files already in other editlists is very
>>important.Especially
>>>>to
>>>>>>the clients paying for the time it takes to put it all together
>>>>>>again!!!Please respond.
>>>>>>Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Charles de Montebello wrote:
>>>>>>>>David -
>>>>>>>>I'm afraid to say I know for a fact that you cannot overwrite
a
>>>>>>file
>>>>>>>>with Vegas that exists anywhere in your current project. You
>>have
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>remove that file from the Media Pool and from any track (in
>>>>v.2.0)
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>remove the file from the track view and then close vegas and
>>>>reopen
>>>>>>>>it (with 1.0b). The file can't exist anywhere in the project.
>>You
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>rename a file in the windows explorer (I think) if Vegas is
not
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>focus and you have the pref set to close files while Vegas is
>>not
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>focus. Then when you return to Vegas, it should find the
newly
>>>>>>>>renamed file. So, that may be the answer (this being with
2.0) -
>>
>>>>>>Have
>>>>>>>>the Windows Exploere open and toggle between the two. Render
>>the
>>>>>>>>stereo file with a new name, alt-tab to the explorer, rename
to
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>filename that exists in your project and it should use the
new
>>>>one
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>at least ask you where it is....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>good luck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David W. Ruby wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Ok I am in the middle of an edit list change for a client
>>>>>>>>>>who is watching me like a hawk.
>>>>>>>>>>Our edit list contains 6 stereo files that have been
>>>>>>>>>>rendered to one stereo track.They wanted some changes in
>>>>>>>>>>one of the stereo files that made up the one rendered
>>>>>>>>>>(finished) stereo file.So as I usually do in other programs
>>>>>>>>>>I do the adjustments for the client to this one stereo
>>>>>>>>>>file.Well then I go to render the stereo files again to
>>>>>>>>>>make our final stereo track using the same file name as the
>>>>>>>>>>previous
>>>>>>>>>>fin mix and instead of over writing the previous track it
>>>>>>>>>>says an error occurred,cannot overwrite.
>>>>>>>>>>Tell me you can overwrite same named files in an
>>>>>>>>>>editlist.Tell me you do not have to have the file not in
>>>>>>>>>>the editlist;Already tried that as well,no go.
>>>>>>>>>>Only way I saved my ass was to use a diff name then,of all
>>>>>>>>>>things this rendered file was only part of another cut up
>>>>>>>>>>section of editlist else where!!!!!I had to go and redo
>>>>>>>>>>that as well with this new named one.Then burn.
>>>>>>>>>>Ouch,
>>>>>>>>>>I hope I missed something here because this is not effecient
>>>>>>>>>>if this is the case.Real world tests are the only way to
>>>>>>>>>>really see how we work.
>>>>>>>>>>Show me the mistake I made.........
>>>>>>>>>>Thanx guys.