Tip for those who want subclips in media pool

Nat wrote on 2/20/2003, 7:06 PM

Ok. This is not quite like having subclips you can classify in the media pool but it's an interesting way around.
For those who like capturing a whole tape as one clip and want to make subclips out of the main clip, there's a way Vegas can handle that.

You'll have to start in the trimmer, open the clip you want to cut. You can now select subclips by making regions (you can mark in and out using the I and O keys). You can also name your regions to make it easier to manage.
Then, the fun begins, once you have made all the regions (or subclips) you wanted, you can now right click and select "Save markers/regions". This will save the markers or regions in the AVI file, so if you open it later they won't be lost.

Now, the trick is to configure your explorer window in Vegas to display regions. You'll find that by rightcliking in the explorer window and selecting region view in the view submenu. Select an AVI file where you saved regions, and you'll see the regions names with in and out data.
Now the nice thing is that you can click-drag a region to the timeline and only that region will appear, not the whole media.
So It's almost subclips. The only downside is that you can't classify them in the media pool.

Hope that helps, tell me what you think,

Nat

Comments

Cheesehole wrote on 2/21/2003, 8:10 AM

this method works well. I did a whole wedding video for a friend using the region view. the trick is to be descriptive in naming the regions so when you sort them by name in the region view you can find what you want fast.

run wrote on 2/21/2003, 12:03 PM

Yes, this is the way to handle "subclips" in Vegas.
But the Region view should have a Thumbnail view as well, SOFO?

And SOFO if you read this, please make a real Subclip function
in Vegas 4.0x updates or at least in Vegas 5.0.

My company dropped Vegas as their NLE choice because of the missing
Subclips function. We use it for Audio work though.

Run

Nat wrote on 2/21/2003, 12:23 PM

The nice thing would be to be able to drop a region to the media pool. I don't know how simple it is to implement, seems simple but must be complicated...

EW wrote on 2/21/2003, 3:37 PM

I think the media pool shows the name of the actual media file. Using the region method, you are basically creating markers inside one media file. What it seems like you would want is to be able to batch render all of the regions to separate smaller media files, then delete that single file they came from. That is the only way I can see right now that the media pool would be able to show all of those regions. Maybe scripting can handle that.

DataMeister wrote on 2/22/2003, 10:21 AM

The whole point of having a media pool is so that you don't have to see the actual file and to have files from all over the drive grouped into a single location (by project)

The media pool should just be pointing to files, and it seems to me it should not be difficult to have it point to a region within a file. For instance, as far as I can tell there isn't a phyisical file for generated media such as text.

I've been wishing for this since I first upgraded to verion 3. At least we finaly got some folders within the media pool.

JBJones

Tyler.Durden wrote on 2/22/2003, 10:37 AM

Hi all,

It might be helpful to consider that Vegas makes a distinction between events and media.

Regions are similar to events without envelopes or FX...

The media pool is basically a source file folder with subfolders, as mentioned above.

Most of the features of traditional bins can be accessed by using extra tracks for events like bins... you can just keep them muted and solo them to preview footage.

I have placed a request to SoFo to add a window-splitter in the timeline ( like in excel) so any number of tracks can be kept in view while working with others. This would help users who use tracks like event-bins.

HTH, MPH

Tips:
http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/Vegas_Tutorials.html

xgenei wrote on 3/1/2003, 9:06 PM

These are some interesting and creative ideas here. It sounds like there are three tacks (approaches) to implimenting media bins, and all three seem useful. However I have two questions remaining.

FYI I am warming up to version 4 while waiting for the box to arrive.

The questions are with managing the target files the bin shortcuts point to.

1) Is there an automated search algorythm implemented? Probably, since there was in version 3 to find missing project file directories. This was problematic for me because I kept trying to organize my project files in subdirectories and Vegas wanted to organize things its own way. I will abay judgment until I feel I know the new system well.

Is the new system working well for you, or so-so, or not?

In line with this if anyone from the kitchen is reading, I have elsewhere successfully implemented an automated serial numbering system to group files. A little scripting did the trick. Unfortunately I don't do Java or VB -- but I would be glad to work with someone who does, and / or spec out a system that is 99.5+ percent effective at tracking things down in batch.

2) Is there any attempt to manage off-line storage say to a DVD-R library? This is more challenging, since a) you need to expand this storage and every DVD-R is a growth node, and b) you need to maintain a redundancy (backup).

I doubt there is any implementation of an off-line management system, but maybe there has been some discussion on the subject that one of you would be kind enough to point me to?

John (xgenei)

bgccdx wrote on 3/1/2003, 10:00 PM

In trying to implement this I go to the Explorer window in VV4, right click, and I don't get a 'region view' option. All I get is "Explore current folder, add to favorites, delete, rename" What am I missing?

Cheesehole wrote on 3/3/2003, 1:18 AM

click the view drop down menu on the toolbar of the explorer panel. it's the same icon that MS uses in most of its dialogs.

bgccdx wrote on 3/3/2003, 1:22 AM

Thanks. I was looking in the wrong place. I found it.