Tips on Client's Edit?

Grazie wrote on 2/14/2005, 12:02 AM
Ok, this is a first for me. No problems, but I want some advice.

I've completed the 1st full complete 53mins version of project. I've produced a VHS copy WITH t/c written in on VHS. This is so the client can read it at his leisure and get back to me with his wishes. This he has done. Good!

What I intend to do is to capture back this t/c VHS and place it above the completed 53mins. Read his notes - we met last night and went through all his ideas ( 2.5 hours! ) - and make the edits accordingly. Yeah, some of his wishes DO include me going back to some of the sections that were "developed-up" so that is NOT a straight edit - I'll need to re-invoke the sub veggies.

Ok, this is my proposed approach, I was wondering if I've missed a substantial trick? Could I employ the function of Edit Details? Maybe put in the numbers there? Look this is going to be a lot of work .. but maybe using more functions will just get in my way. . . Don't know.

Anyways, your help and advice is most welcome.

TIA,

Grazie

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 2/14/2005, 12:05 AM
IF the video isn't a straight edit, and you've laid more than one veg file to tape, your timecode won't do much good, because it's not accurate.
What you COULD have done is to capture the VHS with the embedded T/C display, then line it up with the completed project you would have normally printed from. In this case, you'll have to discover where the T/C is relevant to which veg project. On the other hand, maybe I'm confused. How did you lay T/C as a continual on a project that wasn't created with just one project?
If you have a veg that was used to print the timecode from, and it's made up of components, you can use Edit Details to find your way around the project, yes. But in truth, it's usually easier to just move the cursor to that timecode by typing the timecode into the lower right corner and heading there, IMO
Grazie wrote on 2/14/2005, 12:56 AM
Spot, thank you.

"IF the video isn't a straight edit, and you've laid more than one veg file to tape, your timecode won't do much good, because it's not accurate." . . . . I have a project made from several veggies. Each of those veggies have little veggies. So what I did do was to PTT the WHOLE 53mins to a DV tape. I then Streamed this DV tape output, showing the T/C on the monitor, over to my VHS. The client then had a VHS tape WITH this DV t/c printed on the VHS screen - yes? At this point I wasn't concerned about the all the sub veggies. Just 53mins out with the t/c being displayed and this being recorded to VHS. The accurate bit interests me.

"What you COULD have done is to capture the VHS with the embedded T/C display, then line it up with the completed project you would have normally printed from." . . exactly what I DID do . . you didn't get that from my desciption? ok . . .

And yes - "In this case, you'll have to discover where the T/C is relevant to which veg project."

"On the other hand, maybe I'm confused. How did you lay T/C as a continual on a project that wasn't created with just one project?" . .and no I didn't.

Yes I agree - "If you have a veg that was used to print the timecode from, and it's made up of components, you can use Edit Details to find your way around the project, yes."

" . . But in truth, it's usually easier to just move the cursor to that timecode by typing the timecode into the lower right corner and heading there, IMO " . . This is what I thought . and this I'll do.

The advantage of "seeing" what the client saw from the VHS using the t/c as an index was where my thoughts had got to. Now, do others have any further thoughts?

Grazie
Spot|DSE wrote on 2/14/2005, 1:00 AM
K, I'll ask this a different way.
Did you use several veg files with timecode on each, or did you create one veg file with timecode all the way through, based on pasting several other veg files into one master veg?
Or, did you render several smaller veg files as small avi's, and then import them into one master veg to create a final avi?

If it's the latter, then T/C won't do you any good in any event, because the time won't line up with anything other than the very first veg file or first set of avi's on the timeline.
Liam_Vegas wrote on 2/14/2005, 1:17 AM
When I have done this in the past I handed the client the VHS tape along with a primative EDL "spreadsheet". They then went through the video and wrote the in/out points in the spreadsheet... along with notes that were relevant.

I then opened the Veg that I used to generate the VHS tape (with the timecode FX still applied) and then I just manually entered those In/Out points into the Edit Details view as Regions. This placed regions on the timeline that matched all the items they referenced. I then edited the project from there.

It worked for me - because I did no changes to the Veg until I got that "EDL" back from the client.

Would that work in your case?
Grazie wrote on 2/14/2005, 1:45 AM
Liam, the one step I sidestepped was to put in the FX t/c. I used the t/c being displayed from the DV tape that I created from the PTT FROM the 53min veg.

So, only difference is that you "burnt" the FX t/c into that which you pumped out to the VHS. I USED the T/C that I can display from the DV tape that I created from a DV PTT session. It is not totally frame T/C critical, but I now have the T/C on the VHS which I have now recaptured back to my HD. My thoughts are now to "line-up" that VHS on track 1 - which displays the T/C - AND the rendered out 53min project on track 3. I would now have a version of the 53mins on track 1, showing the t/c and the untouched version of the 53mins on track3.
I could create a SS from the WORD document OR enter this directly into the EDIT details.

Other than having had FX-ed a T/C in my PTT to VHS session .. is there nothing better than that eh? - Thanks guys! - G
Liam_Vegas wrote on 2/14/2005, 1:54 AM
OK... I think I get it... you have the original <source> timecode on that VHS tape? So it doesn't actually relate to your project timecode?

So... yeah... I can't think of a better way for you to do it than you described.
Grazie wrote on 2/14/2005, 2:42 AM
"So it doesn't actually relate to your project timecode?" . . . well not in the sense that it starts and stops on the t/l t/c - but it does give the reference I need to do the job . . that is via the PTT-ed DV tape I did. That HAS got the t/c from the project.

Anyways, I got BOTH up on the t/l now and they are both in synch over the whole 53mins.

I can now get on with the business of what you say: Identifying that which the client wants from his Ins and Outs. Next time, I'll burn IN a FX t/c - maybe!

Thanx Liam!

Grazie