Title numbering on BD discs

BlackMax wrote on 4/14/2012, 9:41 AM
When I create a simple BD disc with one menu and a list of 4 AV programs (e.g. TV episodes I've recorded), when I go to play the disc with my various players, there is no indication or capability to select Titles i.e. Episodes using the players' Title function.

It's a minor thing I suppose, but I'd be interested to know what magic incantation might be required with DVDAP 5.0 (build 180) to make Titles appear & work.

Everything else is fine i.e. individual Chapters within each episode and whatnot, just no Title capability at all, as if DVDAP doesn't know about Titles.

:?

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PeterDuke wrote on 4/15/2012, 3:02 AM
Aren't the 4 AV programs listed on your menu "titles"?

Each title can have chapters, which you say you have.

You use the term "episode". How does this differ from a "title"?
BlackMax wrote on 4/15/2012, 9:31 AM
>Aren't the 4 AV programs listed on your menu "titles"?

Well, that's the point--they should be, but when I play the program on a player, the players' Title function doesn't work on them, nor on PC software players do any of these episode/titles appear in the Info screens or as selections.

It's as if for BD mastering that DVDAP doesn't know the concept.
Former user wrote on 4/15/2012, 11:26 AM
Did you have your MENU set up as First Play when you authored the disk?

Dave T2
PeterDuke wrote on 4/15/2012, 7:46 PM
After you insert your BD into a player, what is the first thing you see?

What steps did you take to create your menu? It should be as simple as start a new project, select menu-based, and then drag your titles one at a time from the explorer to the menu. Each title will appear as a button.

If you want the next title to start at the end of playing the first one, you will have to change the end action in the properties for that title, otherwise by default, control will pass back to your main menu.
BlackMax wrote on 4/16/2012, 12:27 PM
Yes Dave my one Main Menu is set as First Play, So Peter when the disc first plays, I see my Menu. I didn't drag & drop to build upon it, but rather right-clicked and selected Insert > Media and converted my Button Style to Text Only, so I end-up with a simple list, each text item is of course clickable. At the end of each episode's playback I return to the Main Menu (no I don't want to proceed to the next).

So it works as I want it to, I am only puzzled why these Main Menu items are not also Titles according to my Sony players or my Arcsoft TMT PC software player.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/16/2012, 6:44 PM
DVDs can be implemented in many ways.

When I played one of my DVDs, which has a single title with a main menu and a scene menu with Arcsoft Total Media Theatre, a right click revealed a menu which included Title. Clicking on it said that I have a single title called Title1.

I then tried a series of commercial DVDs and only the fourth DVD I tried showed the Title field. (With the others it was greyed out.) I clicked on the Title and selected Title 3 (of four) which brought me to a sub menu, but the DVD seemed to lock up at that point.

I tried playing some commercial DVDs in my LG player and the Title button on the remote seemed to vary between returning to first play, or to the main menu, or to the previous menu. The button was disabled on the DVD I burnt.

I always navigate using the menu buttons I have created in DVD Arch and the up/down/left/right plus OK/Enter buttons on the remote.

Edit

I see I have tested DVDs but you are talking about BDs. The same principles should apply but may not. For instance you can always skip chapters in DVDs made with DVDA but not BDs made with DVDA if played on Panasonic Players, once you access another menu page after the main menu.
videoITguy wrote on 4/16/2012, 7:21 PM
The exact meaning of the Title button on remotes is not strictly defined. You could surmise that it was intended to call out if a DVD had multiple titles. Titles in the DVD specification are collections of chapters. DVD Architect /Pro by SCS does not write any more than one title set to a DVD/Blu-ray disc.

Since the buttons control meaning is not defined and since discs made with DVD Architect do not create titles - you do not have any way in which to predict what will happen with a title button press.
BlackMax wrote on 4/17/2012, 7:12 AM
>DVD Architect /Pro by SCS does not write any more than one title set to a DVD/Blu-ray disc.

Presumably you are correct videoITguy--at least, I am not able to find any evidence to the contrary. Seems odd to me that such an otherwise capable authoring tool should have this limitation, but at least I (appear to) have my answer, thanks.
Former user wrote on 4/17/2012, 7:53 AM
Pretty , much all of your consumer level DVD authoring programs only write one title set. The only ones I have seen that allow for more are DVD Lab Pro and Sonic Scenarist.

Dave T2
PeterDuke wrote on 4/17/2012, 8:01 AM
But do you need more than one title set? A single title set can have up to 99 titles. There are some restrictions within a title set. Each title must have the same display format and share a common menu. Do you need otherwise?

I thought your problem was that you could not select your titles via the title button on the remote. Would multiple title sets help? The main thing is that you can access your titles using the remote control, and I understand that you can do that.


Here is a reference to title sets:

http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/vtsguide.php
BlackMax wrote on 4/17/2012, 3:33 PM
>But do you need more than one title set?

I didn't say that I did--I merely wondered why BD discs made with DVD Architect PRO did not seem to understand/apply the concept.

I think I have my answer--DVDAP is really not a "professional" tool.
PeterDuke wrote on 4/17/2012, 6:50 PM
Sadly, the term "Pro" is highly abused in the software world.