Yes, it is me back again, first with thanks for you last suggestion that was the solution. Now I am having trouble getting the key frames to lock in the set values. For 15 years I worked with Cinestream and now and then would have a key frame lose a set value but all I had to do was go back to that key and reset and all was well. I am trying to design a simple logo as a starter. It is a two line, one word each line logo. My desire is that the top word start out small in the NW corner and the lower line start out small in the SE corner. That is my desired #1 keypoint. Then I would like to use two seconds to move to the second key and that is where the words cometogethr in a tiered fashion. However I have tried this about 14 times and I cannot get key 1 to hold its values. Is the a sequence in setting the values that I am missing. I build the 2 saecond image and set it. Then I shrink and move to the corners backwards and set key 1. If I solve this I think I am off and running., Thank you for your considereation. I have watched the Vegas Utube to do 3 dimensional titling and watched him set key frames and wonder if I am missing somehting - his works.