TMPGEnc has it and Vegas has not it. WHY?

juan2004 wrote on 2/23/2005, 7:52 PM
Hello!

In the last 2 years what I'm editing video with Vegas 3, 4 and 5; I found others softwares who has FILTER what Vegas NEVER to had from his the first version to the last version (5.0). The name of that softwares is "TMPGEnc Plus", "TMPGEnc 3.0 XPress" and "TMPGEnc MPEG editor" form Pegasys Software (I think is a Japanese company)

Who to used the TMPGEnc softwares, to know the many filters what TMPGEnc has to encoder and decoder audio and video MPEG files. The filters are very preccises and each filter has many options to render audio and video and also has to options to setup system of econding or decoding.

Why Vegas has not that options in the version 5 ??

Is possible what the next Vegas version (Vegas 6.0) to has it ?

Is possible what Sony Pictures buy the Pegasys softwares? (as buyed at
Sonic Foundry softwares in July 2003)

If Vegas 6.0 would come with the TMPGEnc's features, THE VERSION 6.0 WOULD BE A TRUE GOAL between the another editor non-linear video for PC.

I would like to get replies from you and from Sony.

Thanks

Juan Pastor.

Comments

BillyBoy wrote on 2/23/2005, 7:59 PM
TMPGEnc is old news to many here. I don't recall it having anything special. Once upon a time long ago it was free, not anymore right? What are you looking for that Vegas doesn't do?
B.Verlik wrote on 2/23/2005, 10:33 PM
I believe he's referring to the mpeg tools, which do come in handy for me too. You can make simple cuts in the mpeg for simple editing. You can stitch mpegs together. You can De-multiplex and Multiplex. And TMPGEnc is a lot better encoder than maybe you might assume. (No, I'm not saying it's better than the Vegas encoder. But it may be the best encoder for the money.) But of course, you can't do real editing with TMPGEnc either. I wouldn't be expecting Sony and Pegasys to merge anytime soon.
Hulk wrote on 2/23/2005, 11:32 PM
I think the TMPGEnc Encoder is better than the MC Vegas encoder actually. Just a little better though.

- Mark
farss wrote on 2/23/2005, 11:44 PM
For my money the TMPEnc mpeg-2 encoder is on par with the MC one that comes with Vegas. The mpeg-1 encoder (which is still free) that comes with TMPGEnc is way better than the MC one that ships with Vegas. But then again that's hardly an issue, I have done a lot of mpeg-1 stuff for VCDs to go to China but I'm pretty much the odd man out there and why complain about not having something in Vegas I can get for free or next to free elsewhere.
If you want to cut and dice mpeg-2 streams the I believe Womble is the way to go. Not free but very cheap.

Maybe I'm out of line here but I don't see the sense in the Vegas team expending time on stuff that you can get done outside of Vegas for free or next to free. Vegas doesn't do motion tracking either and I don't want it to, if I need to step up to that level I'll go buy AE or Combustion, if I owned Combustion and needed an NLE I'd go buy Vegas.
Bob.
ken c wrote on 2/24/2005, 4:00 AM
Hi Bob.. thanks... so if I'm hearing you right, you think this combination is best:

for mpg2 edits, (and I use it for vobs too), womble, right?

and mpg1, tmpg?

and other stuff, vegas?

just checking .. thanks!

ken
farss wrote on 2/24/2005, 4:56 AM
I've never tried Womble even though it's an Aussie product but others speak highly of it. Don't know if it'd directly edit a VOB, bear in mind one video may span several VOBs and one VOB can contain more than one clip.
The rest of it yeah, tmpg does a great job making mpeg-1, I've made some VCDs from SP studio tapes and they looked every bit (if not BETTER) than commercial VCDs.
One thing I really learnt working on VCDs, bad footage in and it gets MUCH worse with encoding, good footage in and your losses are nowhere near so bad.
Bob.
ken c wrote on 2/24/2005, 5:17 AM
right.. I've used womble a lot, mainly for vob convert to avi, which I then edit in vegas.. womble's a great program

ken
trock wrote on 2/24/2005, 7:23 AM
The MC mpeg codec generally does a good job but I had a project recently where after fade-to-blacks the MC encoder added a kind of visual jitter to the motion footage immediately following. When I frameserved from Vegas 5 to TMPGEnc 3XP instead, the result was fine with no sign of the visual jitter.

I also agree with those who recommend the Womble MPEG Video Editor for editing vobs and mpgs, it does a great job.
johnmeyer wrote on 2/24/2005, 9:45 AM
There are a ton of filters in the TMPGEnc encoder that are not available in the MainConcept encoder in Vegas. This includes deinterlace filters, IVTC (inverse telecine), noise filters, cropping, ghost reduction, and soften block noise filters. Some of these are available in the MainConcept external encoder, some are not. It is still a very good program, although the encoding is quite slow.
ken c wrote on 2/24/2005, 10:09 AM
I think sony should just go buyout womble and tmpg and blufftitler and the scripts out there, and make Vegas 6 or 7 a terrific all in one... I understand it's not always wise to have a "swiss army knife" approach, but it sure would be helpful to not have to use 4-6 apps to produce each video..

ken
Jøran Toresen wrote on 2/24/2005, 10:33 AM
I’m particularly fond of the noise reduction filter in TMPGEnc Xpress, that both perform spatial and temporal noise reduction. (Thank you trock for the advice.)

Joran
RexA wrote on 2/25/2005, 8:20 PM
>If you want to cut and dice mpeg-2 streams the I believe Womble is the way to go. Not free but very cheap.

It isn't that cheap, is it? After some discussions here earlier I looked at it. Seems to me it was a couple hundred US$ or so -- is my memory wrong? For occasional mpg simple cuts that seemed too high to interest me.

I have Tmpgenc and have never used it for cutting mpgs, but I figured that would serve my needs if I ever want to make a few simple cuts.