Track and Assignable FX

AFSDMS wrote on 1/2/2001, 3:50 PM
These questions apply to both Vegas Audio and Video 2.0b.
In addition to the Vegas FX plug-ins that come with Vegas,
I have XFX1, XFX2 and XFX3 installed.

1. Are the Track FX, such as Vegas Compression, only
functioning during playback? When I arm record for a track,
the plug-in is still there and it would be useful to enable
some sort of safety compression at the very top when doing
live recordings with many unknowns. Actually, it would be
neat to have separate plug-in chains maintained for both
the record and playback modes.

2. What is a common situation where I would want to use the
assignable FX instead of Track FX?

3. What is the difference between FX and the "Track
Optimized FX" that appears in the Plug-in chooser? Are
these the same plug-ins? Are they optimized for use
directly in the track?

4. I have 4 to 8 tracks of mono audio that I am mixing to
stereo. Is there an easy way to do the fade-out at the end
which allows me to drag ALL the fade out gain controls at
the end of ALL the tracks at once?

5. One of my tracks is at a lower level. Is there any easy
way, other than using Sound Forge, to normalize the level
to -6 or -3 dB? Or, is there any way to get the waveform to
appear 'taller' on the display, as I can do in Sound Forge?

6. In the Audio Preferences Help, the "Normalize Peak Level
(dB)" control is explained as, "Use the slider to change
the default Peak Level settings." Could I have that a
little clearer please? I have tried changing the setting to
figure it out, but haven't seen any difference.

Any suggestions, hints, tips or tricks appreciated.

Wayne Munn

Comments

PipelineAudio wrote on 1/2/2001, 5:06 PM


>>1. Are the Track FX, such as Vegas Compression, only
>>functioning during playback?

Yes, DX fx are on playback only. Vegas has no control over
your sound card's volume, so a compressor on vegas' input
wouldnt keep the soundcard from getting digital overs.
Remember these are software fx


>>2. What is a common situation where I would want to use
the
>>assignable FX instead of Track FX?

Track fx are very much like the INSERTS on a mixing
console, similar to sticking in an effect between your tape
recorder output and your console's tape return input, but
remember in Vegas you can order these anyway you'd like

Assignable fx are like the FX sends on your mixing console.
you still have a direct sound as well as the effected one

In other words, Track FX are in SERIES, IN your audio path
Assignable FX are in PARALLEL, WITH your track fx

commonly track fx would be used to insert a compressor to
compress a certain track, where assignable fx would be used
to put in a revern that all the tracks could send to



>>3. What is the difference between FX and the "Track
>>Optimized FX" that appears in the Plug-in chooser? Are
>>these the same plug-ins? Are they optimized for use
>>directly in the track?
>>


Not too sure here, though I think the optimized ones are
more efficient to use with vegas, or dont contain tails or
something..never mind I will shut up

>>4. I have 4 to 8 tracks of mono audio that I am mixing to
>>stereo. Is there an easy way to do the fade-out at the
end

render your mix and make one fade at the very end


>>5. One of my tracks is at a lower level. Is there any
easy
>>way, other than using Sound Forge, to normalize the level
>>to -6 or -3 dB? Or, is there any way to get the waveform
to
>>appear 'taller' on the display, as I can do in Sound
Forge?

Do you actually want to make it louder? if so, normalize it

Do you want to make it taller to edit easier, but not
louder? if so select the event, hold down shift and hit
your right arrow


>>6. In the Audio Preferences Help, the "Normalize Peak
Level
>>(dB)" control is explained as, "Use the slider to change
>>the default Peak Level settings." Could I have that a
>>little clearer please? I have tried changing the setting


As far as I know, that is the level it will normalize
to...there are many reasons for this, but for the most
part, I would set that to -0.3 dB

Rednroll wrote on 1/2/2001, 9:30 PM
Everyone of these questions that you asked are explained in
the Vegas Manual, I highly suggest that you print up a copy
and read a chapter before going to bed each night. Your
lack of frustration will thank yourself for it in the long
run, and so will tech support.

Aaron Carey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>1. Are the Track FX, such as Vegas Compression, only
>>>>functioning during playback?
>>
>>Yes, DX fx are on playback only. Vegas has no control
over
>>your sound card's volume, so a compressor on vegas' input
>>wouldnt keep the soundcard from getting digital overs.
>>Remember these are software fx
>>
>>
>>>>2. What is a common situation where I would want to use
>>the
>>>>assignable FX instead of Track FX?
>>
>>Track fx are very much like the INSERTS on a mixing
>>console, similar to sticking in an effect between your
tape
>>recorder output and your console's tape return input, but
>>remember in Vegas you can order these anyway you'd like
>>
>>Assignable fx are like the FX sends on your mixing
console.
>>you still have a direct sound as well as the effected one
>>
>>In other words, Track FX are in SERIES, IN your audio path
>>Assignable FX are in PARALLEL, WITH your track fx
>>
>>commonly track fx would be used to insert a compressor to
>>compress a certain track, where assignable fx would be
used
>>to put in a revern that all the tracks could send to
>>
>>
>>
>>>>3. What is the difference between FX and the "Track
>>>>Optimized FX" that appears in the Plug-in chooser? Are
>>>>these the same plug-ins? Are they optimized for use
>>>>directly in the track?
>>>>
>>
>>
>>Not too sure here, though I think the optimized ones are
>>more efficient to use with vegas, or dont contain tails
or
>>something..never mind I will shut up
>>
>>>>4. I have 4 to 8 tracks of mono audio that I am mixing
to
>>>>stereo. Is there an easy way to do the fade-out at the
>>end
>>
>>render your mix and make one fade at the very end
>>
>>
>>>>5. One of my tracks is at a lower level. Is there any
>>easy
>>>>way, other than using Sound Forge, to normalize the
level
>>>>to -6 or -3 dB? Or, is there any way to get the
waveform
>>to
>>>>appear 'taller' on the display, as I can do in Sound
>>Forge?
>>
>>Do you actually want to make it louder? if so, normalize
it
>>
>>Do you want to make it taller to edit easier, but not
>>louder? if so select the event, hold down shift and hit
>>your right arrow
>>
>>
>>>>6. In the Audio Preferences Help, the "Normalize Peak
>>Level
>>>>(dB)" control is explained as, "Use the slider to
change
>>>>the default Peak Level settings." Could I have that a
>>>>little clearer please? I have tried changing the
setting
>>
>>
>>As far as I know, that is the level it will normalize
>>to...there are many reasons for this, but for the most
>>part, I would set that to -0.3 dB
>>
>>
PipelineAudio wrote on 1/3/2001, 1:20 AM


Brian Franz wrote:
>>Everyone of these questions that you asked are explained
in
>>the Vegas Manual, I highly suggest that you print up a
copy
>>and read a chapter before going to bed each night. Your
>>lack of frustration will thank yourself for it in the
long
>>run, and so will tech support.
>>
>>Aaron Carey wrote:
>>>>


dont harp on him too hard, most of these people read
the "pro multitrack recording software" thingy on the box
and everyone thinks they got a studio on a disk

But you are right, those functions are self explanatory to
anyone used to a mixing console

About time someone just writes a book assembling the
threads in this forum :)
AFSDMS wrote on 1/3/2001, 6:26 PM


Brian Franz wrote:
>>Everyone of these questions that you asked are explained
in
>>the Vegas Manual, I highly suggest that you print up a
copy
>>and read a chapter before going to bed each night. Your
>>lack of frustration will thank yourself for it in the
long
>>run, and so will tech support.

I beg to differ that every one of these questions are
answered in the manual. Nothing I found in the manual, and
I admit I may have missed it, was as succinct and to the
point as the comparison to inserts and effects sends. Look
for FX or Effects in the Index to the Audio 2.0 manual. I
finally found something under Plugins but am still looking
for something about the FX that seem to be optimized for
Tracks.

I have full copies of both Vegas Audio and Vegas Video
2.0b, along with the printed, and clearly used manuals. I
have read the entire manual, I took it on a trip where I
was in training for most of a week and its content was
refreshing compared with the details of implementation of
Content Management on an enterprise internet. (Also, in a
prior career I was an author and developer of technical
training manuals so I believe in RTFM, partially because I
used to WTFM :-)

I have been using Sound Forge for years, but the paradigm
is different in Vegas Audio/Video and reading the one
combined manual paid off.

If you are familiar with previous Sonic Foundry manuals,
you know that much of the content from the manual is
duplicated verbatim in the on-line Help files. I suggest
you use the on-line Help files for Vegas and note the
highly detailed, succinct information provided there about
Assignable FX, etc. It is pretty weak at this point. Track
optimized FX isn't even found and the FX packages is not
clearly explained. You have to use trial and error to
figure out that very powerful feature.

Frankly, I agree that the content of these threads is a
great addendum to the manuals, especially when it comes to
Tips, Tricks shortcuts and real world experience.

Wayne Munn, ASPP

PipelineAudio wrote on 1/3/2001, 8:14 PM

>>finally found something under Plugins but am still
looking
>>for something about the FX that seem to be optimized for
>>Tracks.
>>


If you are really interested in the difference in these fx,
look WAY WAY WAY back in the dark ages (vegas 1.0, before a
even) at the forum...there was ugly banter going back and
forth about not being able to stick fx in the track inserts
and I swear there was some kind of explanation about it

I dont know the thread numbers, but its in there somewhere
(I think)

It would be cool to publish a book of this forum, I think,
worhtwhile reading for any DAW software for sure...and
quite entertaining if they could undelete victor/irvin's
posts