those are pretty neat. Wish I had $30 to spare, it would go to those. Could find some uses for those!

thanks peter...

funny, it must be a hang over from early nle days that i always jump to see 'new' transitions, 'looks', etc., with a great sense of excitement and curiosity, and the feeling that i might be missing out...

however, i'm loaded to the gills with add-ons (boris, spicemaster, herogylph, etc.,) and you know what - i can't actually remember the last time i used any transition that wasn't already in vegas (and i hardly use that many anyway), or graphics that i didn't pre-compose in ps...

mind you, i'm an old fart, hate up your nose, faster than flash frame mtv style, (and so do my clients), so i look, think hard if i could ever see myself using, say, particles, and generally come to the conclusion that since i'm not doing cheap budget, 2am cheesy tvc's, i'm never likely to need what i've already got, let alone any of the myriad 'must haves'.......

hey, that was my weekend rant. sorry.

again thanks peter, it's nice to be aware of what's going on, even if i'm not ;P)

happy humbug,

leslie

hey bob, where exactly would you find a use for particles - unless you're doing 2am ad's - which as another (whatever walks in the door) hooker, you might well be doing!

Thanks Peter.

I'd have hoped that Vegas Users will look at these trannies and think how they could cook 'em up themselves?

Like Leslie, I use transitions very rarely, and the ones I have in Vegas, plus having Pixelan Spicemaster Pro, I can think of some extra pints of beer I could buy chums down the Pub! Another thing I just thought of - and IMHO: Maybe next month will we see another set of 6 "super-duper" offerings? At another come-and-buy-me price? And so on and so on . . ? All these are opinions.

OK, granted these are really neat for a quick need to be fulfilled. Also, using Vegas's ability to sustain/reverse/hasten a transition using the TranEnvelope, this could "extend" the creative value.

IMO(?), I think Pix now need to come up with something a wee bit more leading edge. I am getting the feeling Plugin providors are kinda sitting on their collective hands. Are they dawdling while the 64bit<>Vista thing settles?

Sorry to wander-off thread, but I think I need too to add some substance to my initial less-than-enthusiastic reaction, by taking offering some feedback on 3rd party stuff:

* IzoRx - Fab standalone noise redux! The Plugin is a bit hit and miss and my experience is that I am flying-blind. I'd like some more CSP control and transport to mimic Vegas.

* Neat - Fab noise redux! My enthusiasm to use it is tempered by the GUI . . .

* Merc! Great plugin AND straightforward GUI - I can use it!!!

* CartoonR™ - ( . .and in Crocodile Dundee fashion!) "Now THAT'S a GUI!" - Great GUI!!

There is much to do. I'd like to see our Scripting-Gods and the 3rd-party plugin providors ( Pix, Izo, Neat, Ador .. . ) start "mixing-it". Maybe they are already? <wink>

Grazie

Yes Grazie, I agree with you, and myself hardly ever use anything beyond a dissolve ... but ... did I buy this 6 pack?
Yes.
Why?
[Gets to feet uneasily, nervously looking sideways at the others at the meeting.]

"My name is Peter and I'm a software junkie."

"My name is Peter and I'm a software junkie.""Hello Peter - welcome!" - Yeah, of course, me too . . . But I suppose I'm looking for a stronger "hit"!
Grazie

Want to see some great use of particles?





FumeFX and 3DSMax is out of my budget and way outside my skillset.

The 2D Pixelan plugin looks like it could be used to some good effect on text in Vegas or Ppro.. Outside of that though effective particles seem to need a 3D host and a lot of time and skill to be effective.

hey bob, you certainly can pick 'em! bloody great, but i bet the budgets for those three alone would keep me happy for a few weeks / months....

i'm not saying particles are a waste of time - i could see myself doing some interesting thinks with lower thirds, but i don't think i have any clients that would spring for the work involved.

as for my own productions, you know me, i'm an old school fart - i believe what i'm showing on screen is much more important than a few seconds eye-candy which at best would be a distraction, at worst a cheapening....

buy hey, i still love what can be done with all of the bits and pieces given the budget.

leslie

see, some of the people I deal with would love those. They love the cheesy FX including with imovie & other similar programs. Considering the work ends up for kids in one way or another, it's understandable.

Grazie, et. Al.,
Agree with your points...but like Peter...the more choices I have, the better I like it (that's my rationale and I'm sticking to it ;-). At the $29 price point, I'll buy just about any product that expands choices, looks decent, and works well. Am enjoying the new transitions now. That should take care of me for a while...until I need another...fx.
Randy

By the way, Pixelan has added a para and examples on using their transitions with titles in response to comments in this thread from those who don't use many transitions. Here's the link again: http://www.pixelan.com/3d/intro.htm
Didn't think about that. The examples with titles really get the creative juices flowing. Very cool.
Randy

that's good sales man ship right there. :)

"By the way, Pixelan has added a para and examples on using their transitions with titles

Randy? Now HOW do you know that? How do you know it was as a result from this thread?

"Didn't think about that." - Sure, any (?) FX can be used on Text. Another way to make Vegas more adaptable.

Now, all that Pixelan needs to add are some examples. I've tried to click on the "icons" but I can't make the samples fire-up? I've also tried this in Firefox too.

Interesting, Randy, very interesting is this way of creating closure on a wavering Purchasing-Decision, hastened by use of a Forum and feedback.

Grazie

Just checked the demo and it looks Pixelan have added some more very nice transitions - especially at this price!

Wish there would be something to adjust or add/change spices from their other products!

Grazie,

I responded to the Pixelan e-mail giving me the user id and password thanking them and letting them know I heard about the offering from the Sony forum. Michael (the responder) read the thread posts and responded to me indicating that he had put examples of how to use the transitions with titling on their web page. Hence, my post to let everyone know. It was refreshing to get immediate replies from a real person so thought I'd share. No, I don't have any ties to their company (sans this purchase) in case you were wondering ;-).

Take care,
Randy

.. he had put examples of how to use the transitions with titling on their web page.

??? Why do folks need instructions oh how to do this?

Just make text boxes .. overlap them .. and add a tranistion just like you would if they were two video clips overlapped.

??? Why do folks need instructions oh how to do this?

from a thread on the same page (started based on this one) just a few more for starters.

I think I would use them just about as often as i would use Digital Juice's fine products. Once. I use it on one project and then move along. No need to repeat. For one project, one of those transitions would be just right, and that one project would make this extremely low price worth it for all of them.

I really can't stand it when people come around snotting off with their noses in the air. Its great that you don't make 2am TV, but ya know what? Who cares if you do? Quit hating.

And before you say it, yeah you were hating, or you wouldn't have come into a thread called "Transition Collectors" talking about how you weren't a collector. This wasn't for you!

If Michael's still following this thread - Hi! I think your demos with Titles are great - but you should also show particles becoming the Title, not always exploding them!

"Particles becoming Title" reminds me of one of the most creative ideas I've seen - a fellow student back at Uni closed her 16 mm film project by building the words "The End" on a patch of grass near the sea using French Fries. She then let the camera run whilst seagulls came and took every French Fry. The Footage was then reversed for the last sequence in the film, and it showed random seagulls flying in and constructing the words "The End" with French Fries.

but you should also show particles becoming the Title, not always exploding them!

transition envelope! :D

Great story there Peter.
I guess she had a few beaters otherwise the chips would be grabbed before the words were finished.

Bob.

Yes she did Bob, and some of those beaters went on to become editors with Vegas ;)

Now, I may have missed something, but I just tried carrying out my own idea - Making particles fly in and become text, and it doesn't seem to worlk with Pixelan's transitions.

It's as though the particle explosion uses pixels that are ALREADY there, then creates outward particle motion.

When you try the reverse, it can't bring the particles in from the edge of the frame, since they're not "there" to be played with yet. Just a theory.

My workaround is to render an explode/out to new track then reverse the motion using minus 100% Velocity. Any other solutions?

"It was refreshing to get immediate replies from a real person so thought I'd share." - TOTALLY!!! Absolutely agree with you Randy. But it DID need you take the initiative for this to happen. Well done! And I am glad to have asked the question too. Now we know just how this circle can happen and be promoted.

"No, I don't have any ties to their company (sans this purchase) in case you were wondering ;-)." - Nope, not at all. If anything, what I was"wondering", was over "just how creating closure on a wavering Purchasing-Decision" could be used by a company to promote a buying decision. Therefore, I assumed a buying decision - by anybody!

BTW, I still can't get the title examples to work?

Randy, the more you/we can promote 3rd party developers to come around here and READ and take note and, possibly, respond to our wishes the better for all of us - least of which would be SONY! Madison must love 3rd party developers taking "interest" in their s/w. And, by your exemplary efforts, Randy, you have done just that. Again, well done!

Peter, this was exactly what I was talking about when asking for "more" 3rd party "creativity" input - Particles coming IN - nice. And your attempts might get "Michael" to put his or the Pixies thinking-caps on? I hope so. PLUS, if "Michael" gets to see how Vegas works maybe some more Vegas controls to do this too? Also, yer never know, we COULD end up with a 3rd party developer's Forum here too! Now THAT is thinking outside of the "box"!

What a great thread, potentially with more "transitions" than we first thought about - a 3rd Party Sony Plugin forum being a possible transition too.

Peter, loved the Seagull and Chip story - excellent!

Grazie