Grazie,
Thank you for your response. Is there a way to get the text to be visible all the way to the side edges of the screen, the way it does to the top and bottom edges?

I'm not sure how you are making the horizontal credit scroll. However, if you are using the credit roll generator, there is a small thumbnail sized window in the generator screen that shows the position of the text. There are borders on the left and right sides. Try draggin these borders all the way to the outside edges.

Yes, I'm using the Credit Roll Generator and I'd tried dragging that window to the edges but the text still doesn't come in or exit from the edge of the screen (on the rendered version), it does go the edges on my timeline preview.

But when the credits enter from left to right or vice-versa...

How are you doing this? AFAIK, text doesn't move like that in a credit roll.

Mike

As I mentioned in my first post, it's the Credit Roll "Timed Sequence" selection, which can go from side to side. Any ideas on how to bypass the "Safe Area" problem? Thank you.

...it's the Credit Roll "Timed Sequence" selection...

Sorry, I missed that part. I've never used that option so it slipped right past me.
I just tried it using several different text strings and the text appeared and disappeared at the screen edges. I know it's not want you wanted to hear but I can't offer any suggestions as it works just fine for me. Sorry :-(

Mike

Mike,

It works fine for me too when I'm viewing it on my timeline, but it doesn't work when I've rendered it. Did you render it and it worked?

Ruby

Yes Ruby, I did render it out as an avi. Played it back in Windows Media player and it was edge to edge. I didn't try burning it to a DVD and play it on a regular TV.

A thought here. Is this where you're seeing the problem? If so, it may be because the TV is improperly set up.

Mike

Actually, although on the tv it does have the same problem, it also doesn't reach the edges on the render on my computer

Grazie mentioned earlier that it might be because of the "Safe Zone" factor, which I think it may be. But there's got to be some way to bypass that and get the titles to go all the way to the side edges.

Another thing, I rendered a section of the titles sequence as a QuickTime .mov file and THAT did go all the way to the edges! How can I get my .avi render to do the same?

The "Safe Zone" factor that Grazie mentioned is (I think) referring to the fact that, if you want titles to be guaranteed to be seen on your TV, always stay within the Safe Title Area.

Why it would work as an mov file and not an avi is very weird. Are you choosing NTSC DV-AVI, without any custom modifications?

I think it was already asked but what are your settings in the "position" window? Mine are defaulted to 0.050 left and 0.950 right.

Finally, for my clarification, you are using the "Timed, Scroll Right, on Frosty White" preset?

Mike

It's the "Scrolling on Transparent--Timed Sequence", then I select the entry point, left to right or right to left, at the bottom.

Ah, now I see where "Timed Sequence" is. Talk about hiding things :-)
Anyway, I just tried rendering it out again and I get the same results. Text comes on at the extreme far left and stays on until it goes off extreme right.

Mike

Mike,

I just figured out what was happening. Apparently, since I was rendering my footage with the "NTSC DV (Widescreen) 24p (2-3-3-2 pulldown) in the Render As Template, that seemed to cut out the credits from the sides. I tried rendering it as "NTSC DV 24p (inserting 2-3-3-2) [without the Widescreen] and the credits go all the way to the edges. So THAT works!

The problem I have now is that I've always been rendering my film, which was shot on 24p Anamorphic (DVX 100A), with the prior "Widescreen" template. I don't know now if the outputted quality of the movie will be affected if I render it without the "Widescreen" setting. What do you think?

> I don't know now if the outputted quality of the movie will be affected if I render it without the "Widescreen" setting. What do you think?

I think you need to set your project properties to match your output properties BEFORE you insert any Generated Media. If you set you project to DV 24p Widescreen and THEN insert the Credit Roll, it will correctly fill the entire screen. That’s the beauty of generated media. It will conform to the project properties and generate 24p generated media that is Widescreen if that’s what your project is set to before you insert it. Otheriwse you are converting 4:3 60i media to 24p widescreen during the render which, as you’ve seen, doesn’t achieve the desired result.

As a general rule of thumb: Always set your project up to match your final render format BEFORE you add ANY media. Vegas will then always do the right thing for you.

~jr

JohnnyRoy,

Thank you for your input. Actually, my film's Project Properties are set for 24P 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen) DV (removing 2-3-3-2 pulldown), but the generated titles still seem to be rendering to non-widescreen.

Now, I did notice that if I right-click on the titles event, the Properties: Media window of the titles event has the Frame Rate as 29.97 and the Pixel Aspect to 0.9091. Should I change all the title events to 24P and 1.2121?

Actually, I just figured out that it was the Pixel Aspect setting in the Properties: Media window of the individual title events that I had to change from 0.9091 to 1.2121 Widescreen. That did the trick. The titles enter and exit all the way from the edge of the screen.

Thank you all for your help,

Ruby

That's brilliant! I just got up here in the UK and read your solution.

However, how does this square - no pun intended here - with setting the Project Settings, at the outset? Did you have to adjust something that wasn't "forced" from setting the project settings?

Grazie

Glad you got it figured out Ruby. Just wish you had've mentioned the widescreen settings at the beginning :-)

Mike

> Actually, my film's Project Properties are set for 24P 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen) DV (removing 2-3-3-2 pulldown), but the generated titles still seem to be rendering to non-widescreen.

WHAT your project properties are is not as important as WHEN your project properties were set. If you changed them AFTER you added the generated media its too late. The media was already generated at 4:3 (or whatever your default project is). If you set you project properties correctly BEFORE you add the generated media this should work fine.

> Media window of the individual title events that I had to change from 0.9091 to 1.2121 Widescreen. That did the trick.

I’m glad that fixed it but it should not have been necessary.

Try this test: Start a project at DV 4:3 and add a Credit Roll / Timed, Scroll Right, on Frosty White. Next change the project to DV Widescreen. Notice you now have black bands on the sides of the credit roll and it only shows within this area. Now drop a second credit roll onto the timeline with the same settings (Credit Roll / Timed, Scroll Right, on Frosty White). Notice it fits perfectly into the widescreen dimensions (and is already set to PAR 1.2121.) Because it is conforming to the new project properties. That's how all generated media works.

Vegas will always generate media at the project settings but once you generate it, it will not adapt to new project properties. That’s why I said, ALWAYS set your project to the correct output aspect BEFORE you start.

~jr