Two Questions

theclone56 wrote on 8/25/2009, 11:34 PM

Hi, I'm relatively new to Sony Vegas, only been using it for a couple of months, and I've got a couple of questions.

1. I'm working on a project with some green screen shots, and in order to bring them into the compositing software I have, they need to be rendered out as AVI files beforehand. I shot the video on a Canon Vixia HF100, 1920 x 1080, 24p. When I was rendering it out, I was getting ghosting in between frames. I did a little research and found this was because I was deinterlacing footage that wasn't interlaced, and I needed some form of 3:2 pulldown. I couldn't find anything specific about that anywhere online. I've messed a lot with the render settings, and I've gotten the ghosting to tone down a lot, but it's not gone entirely. I was wondering if anybody could help me out with render settings that will eliminate this effect, because I'm stumped.

2. This one's a bit more simple. Is there a way to render out every shot that comprises a scene individually without selecting each shot with the render loop tool?

I apologize in advance if these questions are two vague. I'd really appreciate any help I could get on these issues.

Comments

Eugenia wrote on 8/27/2009, 1:39 AM

1. Ok, so. You need to remove pulldown. The consumer Canon cameras don't shoot real 24p, but PF24 (long, painful story behind it). Vegas does NOT support pulldown removal for these PF24 streams (it only does so for Sony PF24 cameras that have flags -- Canon's PF24 footages don't have flags). Read here how to remove pulldown:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/01/04/canon-avchd-24p-pulldown-removal/
There's no way around it in your case I am afraid.

2. Yes, I believe there's a way to export images from the RENDER AS dialog.

theclone56 wrote on 8/28/2009, 9:08 PM

Not gonna lie... I HATE what you had to say. But I appreciate that you said it. Thanks for the help, I'm going to have to try out a couple of those methods and see how I like them.

Thanks again.

theclone56 wrote on 9/4/2009, 4:50 AM

Eugenia, I'm trying to use method one on your blog, and I just can't get it to work. As far as I can tell, I've done everything right, I downloaded everything, installed what needed to be installed, moved what needed to be moved. I set up the ffmpeg path alright, I've used the same AVS template as you did... I tried both Huffyuv and DNxHD, I think that ffdshow is my default decoder, I set h264 to ffmpeg-mt, but I can't seem to get usable files out of the conversion. The proxy files are fine, I can play them in Quicktime and load them in Sony Vegas, but the larger output files themselves won't play in Quicktime or Windows Media Player, and when I bring them into Sony Vegas they're just an audio blip. I'd just buy Cineform but I don't have the specs for it, and I'm no good with DOS so I'm scared to try method two. Is there any advice you could give me, anything that jumps out as being a common mistake?

Thanks.

Eugenia wrote on 9/4/2009, 12:21 PM

You need to also install the Huffyuv and DNxHD third party codecs, not just the apps that use these codecs. Without installing the codecs, WMP or Vegas won't recognize these video formats.

Eugenia wrote on 9/4/2009, 12:21 PM

I am sure that is the problem, but if you still can't do it, just download the 7-day trial of Cineform NeoSCENE and do it like this: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/neoscene.jpg

theclone56 wrote on 9/4/2009, 12:39 PM

Thank you for responding so quickly. I thought that I DID download the two third party codecs, using the links provided in step four of your tutorial. After unzipping each, I ended up with two folders, one called huffyuv-1.3.1 and another called PC_AvidCodecsLE_2.0. I went through the Avid folder and found a setup launcher that (I though) installed the codecs. The Huffyuv folder just had a .dll file, so I moved it to the same Avisynth folder that your tutorial said to put TIVTC.dll in. Are these the codecs?

EDIT: I just downloaded and tried Neo Scene, and it worked fantastically, despite the fact that my specifications don't measure up, so I've got that to fall back on. I notice there's no watermark or anything on the footage, does that mean I essentially have the full program to use as I will for seven days until the trial runs out, or is there some kind of a catch?

Eugenia wrote on 9/4/2009, 1:08 PM

The DNxHD codec is installed via the setup file. The Huffyuv codec is installed via the INF file (enable file extensions on your Windows to see which file is which). You then right click on the INF file and you select "install" or "install as administrator". You don't put it in the avisynth folder.

As for the Neoscene trial, yes, you can use it full and unrestricted for 7 days or so.

theclone56 wrote on 9/4/2009, 3:45 PM

Well, I installed huffyuv the proper way and tried it again, still nothing. Guess I'll just have to buy Neo Scene. Thank you so much for all your help, I really, REALLY appreciate it.