Unable to render into DOUBLE PAL = 50P

EricLNZ wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:07 AM

It could be your Project Settings. I had a different problem with VP21 rendering to 50p which may be related. For some unknown reason I found the "Resampling Mode" in Project Settings mattered even though resampling wasn't involved. Using Frame Blend solved my problem.

Another thought - can m2t files be 50p. I have a suspicion they have to be interlaced?

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:26 AM

Thank you Eric! I remember that in the past MPEG2 files (original 50i) was possible to render into 50P. It was on old Vegas version, I think it was even Sony Vegas. Now it doesn't render even a source native 50 P video. You say, you successfully rendered into 50P. You only changed the "Frame Blend" you say.

What video format did you have/use when you rendered into the 50P as you wrote above? What was the format of the video file and into what output video format did you render? I will check it out. Many thanks for your kind help!

andyrpsmith wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:28 AM

Eric maybe right, looking at MPEG2 specifications I could not find a 50P option at resolutions above 1280 × 720, for example:

1920 × 1080 pixel (16:9, square pixels), at 30p, 29.97p, 24p, 23.976p, 60i, 59.94i.

1280 × 720 pixel (16:9, square pixels), at 60p, 59.94p, 30p, 29.97p, 24p, or 23.976p

Dexcon wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:38 AM

Is there any particular reason that you specifically want MPEG2 rather than a more modern render format such as Sony XAVC / XAVC S or MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 both of which can render at 50p?

EricLNZ wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:58 AM

What video format did you have/use when you rendered into the 50P as you wrote above

I was converting 1080 m2ts 25 fps interlaced files into 1080 mp4 50p. Using VP21's "Smart Adaptive Deinterlacing". Render template a customised Sony AVC/MVC or customised MAGIX AVC/AAC.

Until I got VP21 I was using Handbrake for my conversions but the Smart Adaptive Deinterlacing in VP21 does a better job with some scenes. My old AVCHD camera shoots 25i which is why my main render is m2ts.

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 5:59 AM

Thanks guys! I record concerts of my favourited rock band. I do it for free, I am an amateur and a fan of the band. I have more (consumer) cameras, some can record 50P (MP4, AVCHD etc), two camera are old and can record only MPEG2 50i, but they record very nice quality video, I want to use it. My friend told me to record everything in 50P. I want to use the footage of the 50i iny my Magix Vegas Pro project though. I want to render the edited project into 50P as I want the edited video to be in top picture quality. What format would you recommend me to render to? I want to have the final edited video in 50P. Many thanks for your recommendation.

PS:

I play my videos on a TV set using a HDD player. I want to add chapters to it later.

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 6:05 AM

In the past I rendered 50i source to 50p successfully, now not. I don't know why?

Eric maybe right, looking at MPEG2 specifications I could not find a 50P option at resolutions above 1280 × 720, for example:

1920 × 1080 pixel (16:9, square pixels), at 30p, 29.97p, 24p, 23.976p, 60i, 59.94i.

1280 × 720 pixel (16:9, square pixels), at 60p, 59.94p, 30p, 29.97p, 24p, or 23.976p

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 6:08 AM

This could help, thank you.

Do you think MP4 format is the same quality as MPEG2? I want top quality rendered final video for my TV set and HDD player, no internet quality.

What is according to you guys the best non-MPEG2 format to render in best quality to?

What video format did you have/use when you rendered into the 50P as you wrote above

I was converting 1080 m2ts 25 fps interlaced files into 1080 mp4 50p. Using VP21's "Smart Adaptive Deinterlacing". Render template a customised Sony AVC/MVC or customised MAGIX AVC/AAC.

Until I got VP21 I was using Handbrake for my conversions but the Smart Adaptive Deinterlacing in VP21 does a better job with some scenes. My old AVCHD camera shoots 25i which is why my main render is m2ts.

Dexcon wrote on 10/9/2024, 6:17 AM

What format would you recommend me to render to?

If your HDD media player supports H.264 video (aka MP4/AVC), try either or both of the render formats that I suggested above (i.e. Sony XAVC / XAVC S or MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4) so that you can evaluate which render format is better for you. Because you're mixing field orders (50i and 50p) and formats on the one Vegas Pro timeline, you may need to experiment with different settings in Properties with the 'De-interlace method' and 'Resample mode' settings, again so that you can decide which are the best overall settings across for the project - or even separately render the 50i video to 50p so that the only field order on the main project timeline is 50p.

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 7:57 AM

You helped me Dexcon!

When rendering to MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 I can render even from 50i to 50P. It does work!

Btw. do you think the MP4 quality is the same as the old MPEG2 one? I was always satisfied with the 50i MPEG2, 25P MPEG2. I don't want to render to worse quality than before.

PS:

I used to render to BRay Format = 50i (others call it 25i) as I wanted to create a disc with menu and chapters. That is why I used the interlaced format. Now I want to render in the best possible video quality, doesn't matter what the format is called, I want to add at least chapters to the final video though, to jump between parts of the whole video.

Would you recommend me the best rendering output format (MP4?) and how to add the chapters? I saw something regarding the chapters in the internet, but it was rather not very easy for me to care about it. Isn't there an easier way how to do it? Ideally in Magix Vegas?

Replying to me would help me a lot! Thanks to anyone who can advise me.

Dexcon wrote on 10/9/2024, 8:46 AM

Btw. do you think the MP4 quality is the same as the old MPEG2 one?

Test it for yourself so that you can reach your own conclusion.

Sorry, but I can't help with chapters within Vegas Pro as I still use DVD Architect 6.0 for BD authoring - which can't use progressive 25 or 50 in PAL land - only interlaced.

DVD Architect is no longer available from MAGIX having been discontinued years ago.

Petr-Pavlas9009 wrote on 10/9/2024, 11:05 AM

Thanks.

Btw., I also used to use the MV DVD Architekt. I am thinking about TMPGEnc Authoring Works 7 from Pegasys. It should be able to even work with 7.1 multichannel sound.

https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/taw7.html

mark-y wrote on 10/9/2024, 12:04 PM

I remember that in the past MPEG2 files (original 50i) was possible to render into 50P. It was on old Vegas version, I think it was even Sony Vegas. Now it doesn't render even a source native 50 P video.

The conversion / interpolation from 50i (25i SD) to true 50p is call "Bobbing," and it hasn't been a native feature of Vegas, at least through my VP18.

Bobbing, so-named by its inventor, Donald Graft, has been available as a VirtualDub Filter, as well as AVISynth, for as long as I can remember, at least twenty years.

Bobbing is also a user-selectable rendering model in Handbrake, the popular video converter, by setting your output at 50p, and choosing "Bob" from the video filters dropdown. Here's a little background information.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/estimating-rendered-file-size-accuracy--111429/#ca688796

I use the Handbrake feature regularly for converting my own DVD rips to smooth, deinterlaced playback, and I often import them back to Vegas for additional editing, instead of the original interlaced source.

Related filters have also been developed by Gunnar Thalin. Search. @Petr-Pavlas9009