URGENT **Can this be done in HD output???

LyricsGirl wrote on 3/5/2006, 7:42 PM
Hi,

New to HD and super-screen sizes, can you guys help me please?

I have bene asked to quote for a simple non-audio slideshow using JPEG (5 megs upwards) photos.

The output is to be delivered via DVD to a 30 x 30 meter outdoor screen.

It was also suggested the photos be set to a resolution of 150 dpi.

I have my doubts about the final output quality and would love your feedback on this.

It is important that I provide a quality job on this or decline.It is for a councils' Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony...an honor to take on board, but only if i am sure i can deliver the quality output.

I have VEGAS 6 d.See my system specs.


THANK YOU

LG



Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/5/2006, 7:47 PM
Of course you can do this.
Forget about DPI, not relevant. Question is; are the images at least 1440 x 1080, and if the answer is yes, you're good to go and make great vid for HD output. Question then becomes how much bigger than that are they, and you may need to scale them down a bit.
Simply open an HDV timeline in Vegas, then start dropping images on the timeline and roll.
If delivery is DVD, bear in mind you'll need to play them from a laptop or something else that can output a VGA signal that is HD, because a standard DVD player won't be able to play HD.
LyricsGirl wrote on 3/5/2006, 8:33 PM
Thank you for that valuable information. I just spioke to the council officer and he was suprised about my questions. Seems no other businesses he asked for quotes wre concerned about output quality.

LG


Coursedesign wrote on 3/5/2006, 8:44 PM
At that screen size, it would be a shame to use a standard definition DVD (unless it's a low-resolution lightbulb/LED display).

Search for prior posts in this forum on delivering true HD to a projector or other HD display, using a WMV-HD, etc. format.

If you only need to display stills without movement, make your life easier by using something as simple as a full screen JPEG viewer. Just put all your slide JPEGs in one folder and make sure they are sorted the way you want to display them, then crank the Next button to advance....

Depends on exactly what you need to deliver.


LyricsGirl wrote on 3/6/2006, 3:35 AM
Thanks, Coursedesign.

I will spend tonite doing some reading up....

So I can make a mor einformed decision of choice then add it to my quote info.

I have output to large screens, but nothing of this size....so, more studying and learning is good...I am hoping that soon I will feel confident enough to offer sdome help on these forums, too. currently I can help with more IT side of things.

LG


farss wrote on 3/6/2006, 4:01 AM
IF they're going for a screen that size then most likely the projector is capable of 1080 or at least 720, even possibly true 2K res, that's one big screen that'll need a lot of lumens.

Realistically I'd start by asking lots of questions, get a contact name for who is supplying the projection gear and then speak to them, find out what they're gearing up to accept, just what they're supplying etc. Will they supply gear for playing out, how should it be encoded.

They may have encoding facilities although Vegas might be able to handle encoding true 2K mpeg-2.

But then at the same time you need to know what res the stills will be i.e. XXXX by YYYY, as said DPI means squat, well not really, do the maths 360inches X 150dpi = 54K x 54K pixels, me thinks not! (I'd like to see it though!!).

Bob.
LyricsGirl wrote on 3/6/2006, 5:19 AM
Good point there, in regards to the screen supplier.
My concern is that according to the prospect, the suplpier stated that the dpi needs to be 150 + and that it will be delivered to the screen via a DVD player.

I will certainly outline the reuest for the screen suplpier and talk directly to him. Often a client does not truly understand the technology.and also sometimes the suplpier of the said technology may not understand it either!

When i used to teach I.T. to undergraduates, I often received thought- provoking scenario quaestions from the lateral thinkers. - of which I am one. I also am a perfectionist in my professional work and if I decide i cannot deliver a quality job i would rather not take it on.

I'll keep you all posted on my final decision and all also if I get selected for the job. It would do wonders for my business if I pull it off!

thanks everyone

LG
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 3/6/2006, 5:47 AM
"the suplpier stated that the dpi needs to be 150 + and that it will be delivered to the screen via a DVD player."

My appologies but the "supplier" is an idiot. if he wants a DVD to display 150ppi/dpi (pixels per inch/dots per inch) then the screen would have to be 4.8" wide x 3.2" high.

DVD's can only output SD content from a standard DVD player. If it's an WMV-HD or H.264 capable player then you have a little more option, however even then at 150ppi/dpi you'd only be looking at a screen of 12.8" W x 7.2" H at 1920x1080.

It sounds to me like they have a person who knows something about printed graphics and is trying to cross his knowledge of the printed world over into the video world.

I don't know if they sounded like they knew what they were asking for when they asked for it, or if they were questioningly saying is this possible, but I've had folks that think they know what they're talking about and they're only talking out their backside, and that's what it sounds like this guy is doing. I would just simply tell them that what they're asking for doesn't exist in any viable form, and that you can give them the best that they can get.
JJKizak wrote on 3/6/2006, 8:19 AM
What kind of zillion dollar projector would you need to project that with (VGA component) any kind of quality at those dimensions? I do that easily with the MY-HD 120 card and a standard HDTV, not a 30 meter screen). I use around 2200 x 2200 stills cropped to 1920.
JJK
Pcamp wrote on 3/6/2006, 8:48 AM
A lot of DVD players can playback Jpeg files to SD - that may be what he has in mind. eg: A huge jumbotron is fed SD cropped top and bottom by about 2/3's. Did he mention HD specifically? If he need's Jpegs just prepare them in PhotoShop and deliver files on a data DVD.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 3/6/2006, 9:02 AM
well, say they're projecting 30m x 22.5m (pretty close to 4:3). you would need a combined array of projectors using a massively driven "graphics card" if you can even call it that, and some astronomical number of projectors all displaying a portion of the display to create a single grand image. Someone with more time can do the math if they're curious.

Dave
Chienworks wrote on 3/6/2006, 10:12 AM
I think the whole 150dpi thing means that they want the images you'd typically get if you scanned something at 150dpi. Say you're working with 4x6 photos, that would result in 600x900 pixel images. Compare that to scanning 4x6 at 72dpi which would only be 288x432. Then again, even 600x900 isn't that great. Maybe he's talking about 5x7 at 150 which would be 750x1050, which is just a hint above 720p HD. Of course, that's the problem with simply saying "dpi" since we don't know the dimensions of the image. Without some other measurement dpi is meaningless.

I certainly don't expect they meant 150dpi over the full 30m screen!
LyricsGirl wrote on 3/6/2006, 11:59 AM
I have decided to email the prospect with my price quote for three output choices. I will also ask if he would allow me to discuss this with the screen supplier.

I do know the prospect is not familiar with a lot of techno-talk as indicated during my discussion with him yesterday.It could be possible he asked for HD because it is current language and he likely feels that is what would be required in output format.

I will endeavour to find out how much experience & knowledge the screen suppiers has.

As the saying goes.."If in doubt..Leave it out.." I would rather pass on this if the operators do not know what they need to deliver quality output for such a huge screen.

I will get back to this post to let you know what the story is and whether I take it up or not...
the processing is the easy part. the delivery format choice is not.

Thanks all!

LG