using Acid loops in Vegas or buy Acid Pro?

emmo2002 wrote on 5/20/2003, 1:35 PM
I have vegas 4.0 and need to create some scoring for some movies I have created and am entering in some festivals.

My questions are:

1) Has anyone used Acid loops in Vegas 4, and with what success?

2) Are there any quality loop packages that are good for scoring. ( I need a good variety so I won't need to keep buying new loops frequently.

3) or should I buy Acid Pro or Express and create music there and transfer it to my timeline in Vegas.

What are your thoughts on this?

Emmo

Comments

Paul_Holmes wrote on 5/20/2003, 1:52 PM
I have limited experience with this. Most of the time I compose my music in Acid by itself and then use that to create a photo movie, but I have also brought specific loops into the timeline to add a little pizzazz to some of my movies.

My suggestion would be to get Acid 4. You'll be able to create things a lot more easily there than in Vegas. I would have both running, view a segment, decide what kind of mood you you want to create, then go to Acid and start playing until you get what you want. It only takes a few seconds to render a composition in Acid to a wav, which you can save and then bring into the timeline in Vegas. You could go back and forth this way, fine-tuing the piece in Acid, re-rendering to the same file name, then seeing how it matches up in Vegas.

Hopefully ChrisElkins will see this post and weigh in since in the film he recently posted he did a tremendous job creating a soundtrack in Acid. Maybe he'll share his secrets! :)
Jsnkc wrote on 5/20/2003, 2:19 PM
I'd check out Smartsound, it seems to be a lot easier and more user friendly for scoring. Sorry SoFo :)
Chienworks wrote on 5/20/2003, 2:43 PM
Vegas doesn't have any of ACID's music composition tools. For example, there's no beat mapper, no tempo matching, and the nice semitone pitch shifting of ACID isn't really there in Vegas. If you're used to composing in ACID at all i think you'll find Vegas to be frustratingly limited in this area. Using both ACID and Vegas side by side is probably the best solution. For that matter, if the video portion of your project is more or less complete, you can import that into ACID Pro and score the video in ACID so that you can easily line up the music with the action.
vitalforce2 wrote on 5/20/2003, 5:15 PM
I had a short film in some festivals last year, in which we ran across a copyright problem and had to substitute all the music asap. I had little old Acid Music 3.0, and used loops and a short recording of a friend on electric guitar, and composed three songs to replace the original music. Saved the projects as wav files, burned them onto a CD, took them to a post house (DuArt labs in NYC) to replace on the music track, and the professional engineer there (1) required no tweaking at all in syncing up the music, and (2) tapped his foot playing the music off the studio speakers!

Moral of that story, in my opinion, is (1) review a bunch of music you like first, to find the mood you're looking for; (2) roughtly match the tempo of an Acid project to the tempo you like; (3) lay down rhythm, then bass (unless the music is more classical, or new-agey, etc.); and (4) layer on some loops until they feel right. THEN worry about sync'ing them into the video track.

P.S. Over time I had accumulated a pretty large loop library of about 15 CDs, but you can narrow down the collection you want to work with by, as advised above, screening some regular CDs first and making an initial decision on what style you want. Each film is going to be a different quest.
FuTz wrote on 5/20/2003, 6:07 PM
If you just want to assemble music parts on the spot, with loops that you just stick together, you can consider Acid Music (and don't forget to download the 8-packs every week!).l
Acid Pro is far more powerful, you can *create* your own loops, match tempos or video right inside the program, etc... but is it really what you need?
You can do a lot with Acid Music then just match the lenght to fit clips (in Vegas) if it's not too radical to the point of altering sound quality. And if it is, you just change the tempo in Acid, render again and you're there, ready to try again in Vegas (you will probably get used to "hit on the first strike" then).

Key word here: your NEEDS...
emmo2002 wrote on 5/21/2003, 4:31 AM
Ok, I checked out smartsound, and there a two versions. Are they both compatable with Vegas?

Emmo
Paul_Holmes wrote on 5/22/2003, 12:23 AM
Both are compatible with Vegas but the cheap one only allows you to use 22KHz files while the expensive one allows you to use 44Kh. Either will work with Vegas but the latter is better quality. (By compatible I mean that you compose the music in Smartsound, then save the compostition and then bring it into Vegas).
auggybendoggy wrote on 5/24/2003, 10:11 PM
I suggest getting acid 4.0 and then purchasing spectrasonic atmosphere and stylus
with a midi keyboard. Atmosphere is amazing if you havent heard it. Check out
spectrasonics site
www.spectrasonics.com and listen to the stylus and atmosphere demos.

If your real serious about scoring GET GIGASTUDIO but beware it COSTS for the sound
libraries.