Thanks Tom! - Ah, so it aint moi . . this time?!?!?!

Wierd thing is that I CAN Preview on 2nd Monitor - well when I say "wierd" it must incicate something with the plumbing out of the "same" file to f/w and thence onto the "dumb" analogue monitor. Hopefully this willl indicate to the egineers at Madison what they need to do.

Hey ho . .. thanks for confirming Tom,

Grazie

No worries, mate.
I don't yet have a second monitor so I'll just take your word for it, eh?.. :-)
Tom

Oh! did you try out the VEG I sent? - Any use? - G

Yup .. tried it. Very good - lots of great ideas there. Haven't used it yet. Have rush job to complete for a conference.
Tom

It's an extra step but... can you render them out to another file from the Vegas timeline then bring them back in for editing?

Shouldn't take long at all to render if you render it to the same file type.

I am pretty sure that my (very few) SteadHand files WILL play on my external monitor from the trimmer OK, *but*, these were rendered from SteadyHand using the MainConcept purchased-seperately DV codec.

I am sure this is entirely because *I* built my own computer... :)

I will double-check when I get home...I may have to take that back. :)

James,
My computer is also home built - see my specs. As well, I am also using the separately purchased MC DV codec with both SH and VD Deshaker. All clips play fine to the external monitor (via SONY DSR-25) with V5 and do not with V6.
Tom

Hi Guys,

Slightly O.T., but just wondering which one of these programs, SteadyHand, DeShaker or Boris (the filter that came with V6) you find works best?

Many thanks

.Alex

Lamont - Yes, I checked this out to. But why do an extra step when it wasn't necessary in Vegas5? Something must have been changed.

KWolf - These files DID work as described in V5 but NOT now in V6a build 99. Something must have been changed.

Best regards,

Grazie

Alex:

I had mentioned a few thoughts on the subject of SteadyHand and Deshaker about a month ago. My conclusion was that Deshaker not only did a better job but also had the unique ability to fill in the black border areas without having to zoom the image up (causing a further loss of resolution). Deshaker is a much more convoluted process, however, and if you are just occasionally having the need for a smooth image then you might find SteadyHand easier to work with. In the documentary project I just finished, a major portion of the 2 hour video was handheld, and much of that was shot while walking. I got good at turning knobs and tweaking levers in Deshaker, since I was using it so often.

I haven't had a chance to try the Boris product.

Slightly O.T., but just wondering which one of these programs, SteadyHand, DeShaker or Boris (the filter that came with V6) you find works best?

For DeShaker and Boris, well, they do different things, so which is best depends on what you need. Deshaker tries to make any camera movement smooth -- pan, tilt, or zoom.

The Boris Stabilizer tries to PREVENT any camera movement, and will try to hold the items you mark as targets at a single place in the frame. If there's an intentional camera move in the footage, Boris will do its best to eliminate it.

I think they're complementary approaches. I had run an entire concert's (handheld) footage through DeShaker, and 90% of what came out was pretty good. Another 5% had too much motion and DeShaker just couldn't handle it.

The last 5% confused DeShaker. These were tight shots of the performers, who moved in time with the music. DeShaker thought it was supposed to hold them steady and let the rest of the frame move, so it made the background jump around while the performer was held in place. It didn't just look wrong, it was a bit disorienting.

For those bits, I loaded the footage into Boris and used things like lights in the background and the mic stand to give Boris targets. That way, the background stayed in one place while the performers moved around.

Your best bet's clean footage. If you can't do that (I can't, that's for sure!), try DeShaker.

Well, I checked, and sure enough; anything coming out of SteadyHand doesn't show up on the timeline.

This includes either Main Concept DV codec or even umcompressed; it oesn't show up.

I have a timeline with generated media (shows up on external monitor fine), SteadyHand MC DV clip (doesn't show), a regular Vegas 6 rendered clip (shows up fine), and an uncompressed clip out of SteadHand (doesn't show).

I guess that pretty much settles it...

Let's be ABSOLUTELY sure here? I'm talking about getting streams OUT to External Monitor from the TRIMMER.

"Well, I checked, and sure enough; anything coming out of SteadyHand doesn't show up on the timeline.

In Vegas6 I CAN get SH files to stream to External monitor FROM the timeline. Timeline YES. Trimmer NO. This was NOT the case in Vegas5. Vegas 5 played SH from Trimmer to ExtMon fine!

Wolfie, appreciate the further confirmation. I HAD NOT even considered MC or what you say about uncompressed.

Grazie

Any SteadyHand files do not show up on an external monitor from either the trimmer OR the regular timeline. No question about it. Not even as uncompressed.

Timeline = No
Trimmer = No

Excellent speedy response Wolfie - thank you. Grazie

You're welcome!

Thanks for the feedback guys about the different products. I've downloaded them all and have been having a play.

Cheers

.Alex

While on the subject of not showing up ... with V6.

I have some clips I ripped from a customer's DVD and converted to AVI. Used TMPGEnc Xpress to import from DVD and then encoded using the MC DV codec.

Cannot play from trimmer to preview monitor, but can play from timeline to preview monitor. Works fine with V5!

This is going through FW to DSR-25 then S-video out to PVM14-N6U.

Maybe these two problems are related? SONY?

Happy to report that Vegas 6.0b at least fixed the playback to external monitor from timeline for clips I steadied with both Vdub DeShaker and SteadyHand. Still does not work from trimmer and auto preview to external monitor.

As well, ripped clips from client's DVD still have the same problems with auto preview and trimmer playback to external monitor.

Tom

Still:

Trimmer = NO

Explorer = NO


I could always get it to go out from T/L. Guess at least you are up with me Tom!

Lots of stuff sorted out though.

Grazie

Still:

Trimmer = NO

Explorer = NO


I could always get it to go out from T/L. Guess at least you are up with me Tom!

Lots of stuff sorted out though.

Grazie