Using SteadyHand & Settings in V5?

Grazie wrote on 8/18/2004, 9:19 AM
I'm wanting to steady some footage in V5. I have used SH from Dynapel, but now I'm finding the rendered SH footage has "staggered" edges on the moving items .. . What settings do you use in Dynapel's SteadyHand? I'm PAL 750x576.

I've search the posts here on SH and I can't seem to be abvpe to get rid of the "jaggers"? - Oh the Jaggers show in Dynapel AND in v5b Preview ..

TIA

Grazie

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JJKizak wrote on 8/18/2004, 11:18 AM
I find that you have to use very small corrections (much smaller than
default). Zero out the zoom control. also use the no edge correction or your picture will be enlarged and you will loose some of the sides and top. (I think its either no correction or yes correction as I have just had a few beers and can;t remember.). I usually zero out the pan correction also. Don't use it vedry much anymore because it blurrs too much. I tend to use the velocity or take a picture if its a scene with no panning or set the velocity to zero. You can try the Virtual Dub one but it is a two pass and very complex. I think they both suck. You will need some independent codecs for the Virtual Dub and don't forget to download the instructions.

JJK
johnmeyer wrote on 8/18/2004, 11:43 AM
I am in NTSC land, but I think this will apply to PAL:

Go to Settings -> Options. I assume you are using DV video as the input format. Make sure that "Enable Interlace Support" is checked. Make sure "Lower (B) Field first (DV)" is selected.

You can select AVI mode if you want to use a DV codec other than the Microsoft codec (I use Mainconcept). If you choose DV, then go to the DV tab and make sure "DV AVI File Format" is set to "Type Two." Video format should of course be PAL, and decoding resolution should be set to "Full." If you use the AVI option, then go to the AVI tab and select your DV codec and then set Compressor Quality to 100.

Back in the main interface, I always start by clicking on Motion Correction "Normal." I then click on "Custom Settings." I then set Zoom to zero. If you don't do this, you will get a very nasty "pulsing" in and out.

Hope that helps.
Grazie wrote on 8/18/2004, 12:13 PM
JM - Thanks! On the case now .. booting up the MONSTA! as I type this . . will let you know .. .
Grazie

Grazie wrote on 8/18/2004, 12:33 PM
Nope - JM - that didn't do it. In fact these were the same setings I used before I posted this .. What am I doing wrong?

JM, have you got an email I can send you the effect I'm getting? I can do a screen grab.

Question: When you say you "use" Normal under Motion Correction and then you go on to use Custom Settings, doesn't this remove the Normal setting?

Grazie
wcoxe1 wrote on 8/18/2004, 8:58 PM
Are what you are seeing little black flickering edges around your corrected video? That is a result of the steady process, and is quite natural.

ZOOM will correct that, but will likely result in pulsing.

You can eleminate it by "Cropping" either in SH or in Vegas. Vegas is better.

If that is not your problem, then sorry to bother you. I didn't understand, obviously.
Grazie wrote on 8/18/2004, 9:48 PM
wcoxe1, thanks for your assistance. I AM getting somewhere. It isn't as stright forward as I seem to remember. I've read the posts here - going back sometime now - and i think it was yours too that was suggesting to do the "cropping" within Vegas. JM's comments have helped, but I couldn't understand that when I applied the "Custom Settings" in the Motion section, why would it switch back to Normal straight after I would set SH off to go and do its thing? - I'm now thinking that this is the way the s/w operates and I shouldn't read too much into it.

Maybe Sony wishes to make a steadying feature within Vegas at some point. But I guess there will be development of other NLEs too! SteadyMove for Premmie is gonna stay wiyth Prem. I called them 3 days ago and there isn't a thought to making SM a stand-alone. "Oh yes we know a lot of Vegas users are wanting it too!" - C'mon Sony, we've asked - how about it? But there again having the bugs squashed in V5 first has gotta be a priority.

Thanks for your help people,

Grazie
johnmeyer wrote on 8/19/2004, 10:19 AM
but I couldn't understand that when I applied the "Custom Settings" in the Motion section, why would it switch back to Normal straight after ...

Don't switch back to normal. If I said that in my earlier post, that was sloppy. You start by clicking on Normal, and then click on Custom.

The Zoom option I referred to is the one in the custom menu. That you want to turn off by setting it to zero. Then, back on the main menu, you want to set "Video Edge Treatment" to "Zoom to Fill". Thus, there are two different settings that refer to zoom. The zoom option I referred to (that you want to turn OFF by setting to zero) is in the Custom menu; the zoom option on the main menu should be selected.

Hope this helps.

Sorry for the delay in answering, but my Internet has been down for 24 hours and I am doing this on an old dial-up account that I just re-activated.
wcoxe1 wrote on 8/19/2004, 12:05 PM
JohnMeyer has the right of it. That should help you. If you still have any black edge artifacts left from the correction by SH, you should correct them in Vegas, but you shouldn't need to.
johnmeyer wrote on 8/19/2004, 1:31 PM
If you keep the Zoom setting enabled in the main interface, there will not be any black edges.
Grazie wrote on 8/20/2004, 12:34 AM
John, I think I'm nearly there. I do wish to send you some Before and After screen grabs? I just want to know if I should be getting better? The colours "appear" to be slightly "bleached in the "After". . .. I don't have your email .. .

Grazie
wcoxe1 wrote on 8/20/2004, 6:11 AM
You must remember, after the SH has worked, the effect is that you have zoomed in significantly on your scene.

The other thing is that you have rendered the scene using something other than the Vegas Codec.

The two things can affect a LOT, and cause a lot of changes, many of them undesirable.

The first time I realized that I was unable to use the Vegas Codec, I wrote and asked SonicFoundry, but the reply was that it was "impossible" to use it for technical reasons. Oh, well.

Don't suppose Sony, the new owner, would separate it out as an entity and let us pick it when we want to use it in other applications, now, would they?

PLEASE?

Better Still, Give us an even better Motion Stabilizer WITHIN Vegas, Please! We have been asking for this for years.
Grazie wrote on 8/20/2004, 6:17 AM
wcoxe1, well as you say. Just rendered within V5b, got the colours back - looks great!

Thanks everyone,

Grazie