VASST ACID for Non-Linear Editors REVIEW

JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/8/2004, 9:10 AM
I got the new VASST ACID for Non-Linear Editors training DVD with Rudy Sarzo this week and I watched it twice. I am happy to report that this is an excellent tutorial for both its intended audience (non-linear editors) and also for those just wanting to use ACID with existing audio. Rudy gives you a solid foundation for using ACID with audio loops and the DVD is very appropriate for the beginner because it assumes you are a non-linear editor and have never used ACID or even made music before. I'm a musician (I play keyboards) so I realize that I easily understood the musical concepts Rudy was trying to get across but I think he did so in a very clear and concise manner that I’m sure non-musicians would understand.

This DVD will give you the basics and beyond of ACID: what the preferences and toolbars do, how to add loops, add effects to loops with and without automation, create your own loops from songs on CD and from other loops, process a loop in Sound Forge, changing keys/tempos, transposing loops, and it will teach you how to approach a mix (using buses) the same way we do in a recording studio This, IMHO is very valuable for non-musicians and musicians who have never worked in a recording studio to know.

Rudy teaches all of this in the context of a score he’s working on so you really get a feel for his workflow and approach to scoring. Actually, it really doesn’t matter if you’re scoring for video or just composing a song, all of the information on this DVD will be relevant. These are the things you can’t learn from reading the manual.

What it does not cover is MIDI or VSTi or even how to record your own audio (other than briefly explaining the options on the record dialog and, even at that it, only explains the audio options not the MIDI options) So its not going to teach you how to punch in and out and record MIDI and audio, use VSTi plugins, etc. But that's to be expected because this is not a generic "Everything you want to know about ACID" tutorial because of its focus on scoring for video. Honestly, that would have only been a couple of extra chapters out of this 23-chapter DVD anyway and most non-linear editors don’t need this information.

I think the insight that Rudy gives in the "Scoring with Emotion" chapter on both how to select the proper instruments and the proper effects to get the desired mood is invaluable. I feel the chapter could have been enhanced by showing some examples visually instead of just talking about them (the chapter is just Rudy talking), but lots of valuable information is there none the less. I also can't emphasize enough how important the insights that Rudy gives you on how to approach a mix are. Even though this was information I already knew from working in recording studios myself, it reminded me that everything I learned on a hardware console could be applied to ACID and to approach the problem the same way. It did not occur to me to do this at first (I’ve only been using ACID for a few weeks now), so the DVD was definitely worth it for me in organizing how I approach a project. I already saw a difference in how I organized a new project I started last night. It was very evident to me that I was influenced by this DVD. That was worth the price alone.

Thanks Rudy! (and thanks Spot for bringing this to us)

~jr

Comments

Spot|DSE wrote on 5/8/2004, 9:23 AM
WOW JR! Thanks for the great comments.
We, and Rudy, opted to not go down the MIDI route, since most NLE users aren't musicians, and it leaves the door open for a second volume if we get enough request. But it pleases me that you picked up on what we're trying to accomplish with the DVD, teaching NLE users how to create their own royalty free music for video with ACID.
One question; did you feel that even though this vid is pointed at ACID 4, that the information was germane to other versions of ACID? We tried to explain everything as generically as possible, but that's somewhat difficult with a product-specific presentation. Rudy was very concerned about keeping things to a point that users of even ACID Express could use some of the information.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/8/2004, 10:10 AM
> it leaves the door open for a second volume if we get enough request.

Consider this your first request for the MIDI sequel. ;-)

> did you feel that even though this vid is pointed at ACID 4, that the information was germane to other versions of ACID?

I‘ve never used ACID 2, but I did try the ACID Pro 3 demo before I purchased ACID Pro 4 and I think 90% of the information is germane since ACID 3 doesn’t have MIDI/VSTi anyway. I think only the automatable FX aren’t in ACID 3 and Rudy shows you how to create loops both with and without the new Chopper tool in ACID 4 so ACID 3 users should get a lot out of it too. People who use ACID Music 3 or who might use the ACID Express that’s included on the CD might have a hard time in the later chapters because they don’t have a lot of the capabilities but the early chapters on working with loops should translate well to them. What definite translates down to even ACID Express users is the approach.

I agree with you that the core learning experience is how to approach the problem at hand. I can explain to you every knob and dial in the interface but if I don’t show you when to use each of them in your workflow, then you’re really lost on how to get started or when to use what. So that’s where Rudy’s approach to scoring is really the value of this DVD. You’re paying for the experience that Rudy has to offer and he did a great job of sharing that experience with us on. That’s why I liked it.

~jr
jazzvalve wrote on 5/9/2004, 1:05 PM
just got mine to. its long so havent seen it all but looks really helpful. listen to the different music and one video because the video looks different with different music. its on the credits menu.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/10/2004, 4:21 AM
WOW, I didn’t even realize there was extra media on the credits page. I just looked at them and I agree the video with different scores really changes the mood of the piece. Thanks for pointing that out.

~jr
DavidMcKnight wrote on 5/12/2004, 12:23 PM
I just got mine yesterday and I will add my review to this thread...

One thing I noticed about the main menu, there is an option to Play All. After watching about 30 mins, the dvd stopped abruptly and went back to the main menu. Huh? Turns out it played the first group of chapters, and I had to go and select the next group of chapters to continue playing. At first, I thought this was an authoring bug or at the very least, an annoyance.

It isn't. Let me be very clear here...

There is SO MUCH information on this DVD, there is no way to absorb it all in one viewing. The best thing to do, I think, is to watch it in the 30 - 40 minute chunks, then set the dvd aside and practice what you've learned at each break.

As JR said, it is not just for NLE folks. I'm also a musician, and I learned a lot - I didn't realize that ACID was such a powerful composition tool. I would like to hear a review from a non-musician..I'm inclined to think that NLE-only folks with no musical background may still find ACID to be a daunting proposition, even with this DVD. For these folks, a canned solution like SmartSound is probably more in order, although those types of solutions are much more limiting than ACID, and can still be prone to license fees.

Back to ACID, I can think of no better way than this DVD to get the information across, and if anyone who is even the tiniest bit familiar with Vegas or ScreenBlast tried out this dvd and ACID, they could get some usable results.

Rudy definitely knows the software and he has an ambitious, eager style - he really seems to enjoy the teaching process. He doesn't jump in too deep nor does he dumb anything down. It seems just right to me, and has a kind of "organic" feel, more than just menu options and button clicks. Must have something to do with the chapter on Scoring with Emotion.

The included second disc is where you'll find the loops. There's a bunch of 'em, and the ones I've listened to so far seem VERY musical and usable. They are samples from after-market loop packages, so this is a great way to try before you buy.

And the unreleased Quiot Riot footage? Very amusing. Great editing job, as the audio in no way matched the video. But the fist-pumping and shout-outs and stage runs were all in sync.

OT - I saw a special on VH1 last night about When Metal Ruled the World, about the LA scene in the early to mid 80's, and there was some QR in there. Rudy looks great, especially to have gone through all that!

All in all...a solid winner. Well worth the full price, IMO, never mind the community discount so graciously provided by Spot. I personally will learn a lot from this. Thank you to Rudy, Spot, Mannie, and all involved.

- David
JJKizak wrote on 5/12/2004, 12:28 PM
Real dumb question, is there a link to where you can purchase this item?

JJK
DavidMcKnight wrote on 5/12/2004, 12:47 PM
Right here -

http://vasst.com/dvdproducts/acidNLE.htm

There is a discount code available for COMMunity members, but you would have to search this forum to get it, as it was supplied by SPOT.

(cough, cough COMM , cough)

It would be wrong of me to post it here....

DGrob wrote on 5/12/2004, 1:48 PM
Ya know, I purchased ACID a while back and have only been able to tinker a bit. Just entered my order, this sounds like it'll get me moving. Hooray. Darryl
JJKizak wrote on 5/12/2004, 2:39 PM
Thanks for the link dmcknight.

JJK
TomE wrote on 5/12/2004, 3:03 PM
Thanks for the review JohnnyRoy!
Looks good. Have to think about it harder now.

Tom
Spot|DSE wrote on 5/12/2004, 3:12 PM
DMcKnight...
I really hate it when people COMMunicate COMMfidential information. :-)
thanks for the support and posting the link.

The burp from the Play all is the result of a bad coding field that wasn't discovered til after the burn. When doing a DVD 9, the layer shift has to be in the right place, and in this case, the split point was misassigned by DVD Studio Pro, and had to be hand coded in. That resulted in an error. Doesn't affect the overall playability, but it DOES mean that when it hits the split point marker, it goes back to the main menu. We'll correct that in the next run. Much as I like DVD Studio, I wish like all hell that DVDA did dual layers/DVD9's!!
DavidMcKnight wrote on 5/12/2004, 6:46 PM
As I watched the different aspects of the dvd, I wondered how some things were done, what tools were used in the creation. Like the title graphic with the twitching text - ACID for Non Linear Editors - Tips Tricks, etc. That's pretty cool. So the authoring app was DVD Studio - how did the different editors collaborate, what tools were used? I know you're busy with the VASST tour, but maybe if you get some free time you could elaborate?
Spot|DSE wrote on 5/12/2004, 7:49 PM
The twitching was done in Vegas, in fact, EVERYTHING except the authoring was done in Vegas. The Zenote jitter plug was used for the moving letters, combined with the film looks plug.
On the VASST tour, I'll be showing a few of the title sequences and how they were done.
The most creative sequences are ones put together by Mike Chenoweth, he taught me a different way of looking at some of this, as he's done a fair amount of cable stuff and Hallmark stuff, not to mention the IMAX team he works with and shoots as they do their filming. He has an amazing eye. I'm more 'serious' about how I do intro's, I did most of the Rudy intro, all of the C3D intro. Mike did most of the Sound Forge, Vegas, and DVD Workshop intro's, and I like his stylings a lot, so I suppose in the future I'll emulate him more.
Mitch Richardson did the initial shot cuts, as there were over 28 hours of tape, we had to change locations and deal with power outages, many color shifts due to power and locations, Rudy had a few challenges as English isn't his first language, and Ozzy had just been in a bad accident the day we shot, so his phone was constantly ringing. It was hard to get complete takes, and then we ran out of time, so it was a monster challenge for Mitch to deal with the cuts. I did all the color correction and DVD assembly, title cards and intro. We're still settling on a style for VASST DVDs so you'll see a few changes in title cards and how things are managed, chaptered, etc. We're also struggling with the whole DVD9 thing since no one does it well except Scenarist, and I hate that application with a passion.
Hmmmm....The dolphin vids at the end were encoded by Ron Dabbs, we needed something that would look decent at exceptionally low bitrates, he did as well as a 1.5 meg stream of high action could be.
The Quiet Riot stuff was a B@#$#@! to edit as it was shot on a tiny Canon Elura, handheld, at a few different shows, Rudy's wife shot it. Glad you thought it was edited well.
Rudy Sarzo is a total gentleman, a great guy. He's a major rock star, playing with Ronnie James Dio right now, having just finished an Yngwie Malmsteen tour, and before that the Quiet Riot, Whitesnake, and Ozzy Osbourne years...he was in the bus the day Randy Rhoads was killed. He has been to hell and back, to the top of the heap and back. Named Sexiest Bass Player by MTV, and he's just a normal, really cool guy who slept on a couch at NAB because he couldn't find a hotel room. He is a guy that I've known for years, proud to know, and had a great time hangin' with him. He knows ACID in and out, Vegas in and out, and Forge in and out. Scary smart, too.
Anyway, Rudy put some final touches on the DVD, and then it was authored in Studio. Nice app, but doesn't do DVD9 elegantly. The layer splits are hard for most of these tools. Encore does it poorly too. DVDA doesn't do it at all since it doesn't do DVD9, but I'd rather it not claim to do DVD9/dual layer/DLT and do DVD5 really well, than the alternative.
ACID was actually our first DVD, Photoshop CS our second, and you'll keep seeing our quality grow better, as we do more of these. 5-6-7 hours of vid is long and tedious to edit when there's no story line, but we have to keep ourselves from wanting to get too creative, because that only distracts from the quality of the message, IMO.
I think you'll love Cool 3D, Sound Forge, and Vegas. Mike did some killer Max Headroom-type stuff with my image in front of a greenscreen. He's a really gifted editor, and we're thrilled to have him join VASST.
Hope to see some of you on the road for VASST, and thanks for supporting the program! We've got a LOT of new stuff coming up, 3 new Vegas tools alone in the next 3 months.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 5/16/2004, 9:50 AM
I’ve written a more in depth review that takes you through all the major sections of the DVD chapter by chapter. This should give anyone who is considering buying this DVD a good understanding of exactly what they’ll be getting. I’d like to personally thank Spot for helping me get it published on the DMN web site. Thanks Spot!

~jr
Jessariah67 wrote on 5/16/2004, 2:04 PM
"Jitter" -- like the text effects you're seeing in more and more truck ads -- is something I've wanted for awhile. I was just at Zenote and didn't see it. Is it part of a different plug or called something else? Thanks.
Jessariah67 wrote on 5/17/2004, 5:00 AM
"Random." Got it.