Vegas 10e And 3D Editing

tnw2933 wrote on 7/6/2011, 4:07 PM

When I place an MVC clip from my Sony HDR_TD10 3D camcorder on the Vegas timeline and set project properties for stereoscopic side-by-side full editing, my Blu-ray drive does not appear and I am only able to create an .iso image. In fact, when I then attempt to render an .iso image, it crashes every time. Placing 2D clips on the Vegas 10e timeline and the Blu-ray drives appear and rendering is successful. I have replicated these problems on two different computers with two different Blu-ray burners, one running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit and Vegas 10e 64 bit and the other running Windows XP and Vegas 10e 32 bit.

In short Vegas 10e is useless for editing 3D MVC footage from the Sony HDR-TD10. Vegas 10d has a 5.1 audio bug that was fixed in 10e, but I am having to return to 10d because 10e is a total loss for editing 3D from Sony's own 3D camcorder.

At this point it is clear to me that Sony Creative Software's engineers either don't have a Sony HDR-TD10 to test their software with, don't bother to use it, or just don't care about editing 3D video from Sony's own 3D camcorder.

For those thinking of editing 3D from the Sony HDR-TD10, good luck!

Tom

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DonLandis wrote on 7/6/2011, 4:38 PM

Hi Tom- I have not tested a robust project today since I need to do lots of testing on this burner missing problem which I now have a good root cause handle on. Time to take a break so I will load up a huge veg file and set it to render the iso and see if it crashes. I had no issues with crashing on my 10d 64 bit so if this known good timeline crashes, we're sure to have 10e trouble in River City! This was a 10 hour render on this computer with 10d. I hope you realize that if you can render that iso file, it will burn as a 3D HD blu ray in DVDA 5.2. I tested this earlier today so that is my work around. But, if necessary, I'll revert back to 10d until the SCS team can get their act together on this.

tnw2933 wrote on 7/6/2011, 7:05 PM

Hi Don,

After reinstalling Vegas Pro 10e a second time, I have now been able to render a mini 3D project consisting of 5 Sony HDR-TD10 MVC clips and a superimposed title on the first clip. The video and audio rendered perfectly and then the Blu-ray .iso was compiled without problems and the disc image was created by 10e. Of course, I had to burn the Blu-ray disc image to a Blu-ray disc using ImgBrn since my Blu-ray drive was grayed out and inaccessible in 10e when any stereoscopic mode is selected under project properties. It is hard to believe that SCS's engineers could have missed this unless they either don't have access to Blu-ray burners, HDR-TD10's, or don't ever try any of the stereoscopic editing features in Vegas Pro 10. However, at least I can see that 10e can be used to edit 3D and create a Blu-ray .iso image. It just cannot be used to burn a Blu-ray disc form the image it has created since it does not see the Blu-ray drive.

Tom

Robert Johnston wrote on 7/7/2011, 12:56 AM

From the release notes:

"The Burn Blu-ray Disc feature has been updated for compliance with the Blu-ray Disc specification. You can render 3D projects to a Blu-ray 3D Disc image file (.iso) from the timeline (Tools > Burn Disc > Blu-ray Disc). This feature is intended for commercial BD-ROM preparation testing."

tnw2933 wrote on 7/7/2011, 9:18 AM

So...this update to 10e takes away a feature present in 10d, namely the ability to burn a 3D Blu-ray disc directly from the Vegas timeline. Now you have to create the blu-ray .iso image, and then use another piece of software to burn to a Blu-ray disc. I find this hard to see as progress.

Incidentally, the MVC format that Vegas is burning to Blu-ray appears to be the same as commercial 3D Blu-ray discs utilize. Certainly when I put the discs burned in 10d into my Sony Blu-ray player, my Sony VPL-VW90ES 3D projector immediately senses they are 3D and switches to its 3D settings and plays the disc perfectly.

I guess I don't understand how removing this feature, i.e. direct burn to Blu-ray from the timeline creates compliance with the Blu-ray specification.

Tom

Former user wrote on 7/7/2011, 9:56 AM

Tom, since it mentions "commercial", I wonder if it is a licensing thing.

Dave T2

DonLandis wrote on 7/7/2011, 9:56 PM

Commercial? Let's not get so creative reading stuff into the statement. Fact is the BluRay standard is in constant change and it is likely you will see this with almost every update. If you own a bluray player you would observe the costant need to update your player to the new standards to play new disks. Fortunately the bluray standard is backward compatible. I don't think this has anything to do with Vegas 10e inability to render - burn in one sequential step, as opposed to doing it in two steps which is entirely possible by burning the 3D iso file with the timeline stereographic set to "off".

tnw2933 wrote on 7/8/2011, 9:46 AM

Sony's statement regarding creating Blu-ray discs in Vegas 10e is the kind of statement that only a lawyer could love. I certainly don't know what that statement means. I do know that Sony has eliminated in 10e direct from the timeline burning of 3D projects -- a feature that was working in 10d. Was 10d therefore not Blu-ray compliant? Maybe, but the 3D Blu-ray discs that I created with 10d sure played back fine in my Sony Blu-ray player and were correctly interpreted as 3D full 1080p by my Sony VPL-VW90ES.

The issue is easy enough to work around either using another piece of software to burn the Blu-ray .iso image that 10e can still create or using the procedure that Don has listed above. I guess the real issue is why Sony removed the feature because I sure can't fathom that from the statement given by Sony.

Tom