Vegas 11 crashes. Conflict with 13 ???

fosko wrote on 8/13/2014, 9:15 PM
system has been working fine. This weekend I downloaded trial version of Vegas 13. I have V11 and V12 on my machine as well. All of a sudden:
*Can't render files with Titler Pro 1
*get messages that my video card can't support the harware (although it's not a card supported by TP1, it's worked in the past). Fine, to get this done I'll bypass TP1 and just use a standard Vegas text editer
* Now even with that it's crashed 3 times, 2 of those times at 53% (coincidence??)

These issues may or may not be related. So far it's all in Vegas 11. I'm rendering now (for a 4th time) in Vegas 13. If that doesn't work I'm going to uninstall 13 and try that. I'll post results as soon as they are in.

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ushere wrote on 8/13/2014, 9:28 PM
i've never had any 'conflicts' with different versions installed...

if it's crashing at the same place try rendering out 'sections'. could simply be bad media.
fosko wrote on 8/13/2014, 11:25 PM
I just tried to render it in V13. Crashed again at 53%. THen monior went all crazy and flickered for about 5 seconds...got a message that Nvida driver had stopped responding but was responding again. It may be the video card..although it's been working fine so far. I have noticed the last few days some vudoes are starting to randomly stutter slightly.

This is a dance peice so I can't cut it up and render in sections, I've rendered it before with no problem as an MP4 for Youtube. This time I'm rendering for DVD Architect.
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 12:45 AM
OK so deleted V13. Still freezes at 53%. Obviously there is something there causing this..but since I don't know where exactly in the video it is I can't play with it. This is a pivitol peice in this concert. My next step is to try another render format and hope it will work in DVD A.
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 1:25 AM
Next step. I'm going to save it as an ,avi file and hope it will work in DVD Arch. The other files are rendered as mp4. Will there be an issue with mixing formats ?
ushere wrote on 8/14/2014, 2:41 AM
why can't you render in sections?

once you stitch them together it should be seamless - use a lossless codec if need be...
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 8:40 AM
well at first I was thinking I don't know where the hang up is..but I guess it doesn't matter. I could just cut it into 5 easy peices. But I was thinking it would not be tight.. and since it's a dance peice it needs to be rock tight. I will try it.

The render in .avi did work however.
Steve Mann wrote on 8/14/2014, 9:52 AM
Fosko -
First, have you tried turning off GPU support in the "Render As" template?
Second, are you making a DVD of Blu-Ray disc?
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 9:54 AM
Away from system at moment but will check GPU when I return. It is DVD..not Blu-ray.
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 12:01 PM
OK I didn't see it in the Render Custom...but I found it in the settings prefereneces. IT was checked. I unchecked it and am running a new render now under DVD Arch Wide Screen, Will post results.

I don't even know what GPU acceleration is for.
fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 3:32 PM
WORKED~~~~~
Thanks.
Wish I'd thought of that. Now I need to go find out what is GPU and when should I use it.
Steve Mann wrote on 8/14/2014, 9:53 PM
First, if it's for a DVD then you should be using a DVDA template in the Main Concept MPEG2 list. This is how you make a DVDA compliant video file. Anything else will force DVDA to re-render the video with a hit on the quality. You also need a separate AC3 audio file.

If DVDA wants to re-render your video than you did something wrong in Vegas.

A GPU with CUDA cores will help with some CODECS, notably AVCHD.
There is NO GPU acceleration for MPEG or AVI.
There are three locations to control GPU acceleration inside Vegas:

There is the overall GPU acceleration setting that is found under the Preferences which accelerates preview, fx and even renders of certain CODECS.

There is also additional CUDA acceleration settings at the CODEC options in some "Render As" menus.

Last, in Preferences, Preview Device, there is an option to "Optimize GPU Display Performance".

I've contended all along that GPU support is just a band-aid for slower processors. I believe it is a direct response to all the users who were demanding GPU support "because Premiere has it". It was a marketing decision - and like many marketing decisions probably not fully supported by the development team (my speculation) - it's been a disaster for Sony. Be careful what you wish for - you might get it. Sony has no control of the GPU after it passes the data to the graphics driver, but if the driver crashes, users tend to blame Sony.

This is why I recommend that all new users turn GPU support off in their preferences to start. This really should be the default out-of-the-box setting. Get Vegas running, test everything you expect to use, and *then* enable GPU support.

fosko wrote on 8/14/2014, 11:22 PM
Thanks for that explanation. It helped.
I was running a DVDA template.. that's where it was crashinng. When I ran the .avi it didn't crash, But now that I removed the GPU I can go back to using the DVDA templates
fosko wrote on 8/22/2014, 1:32 PM
UGHH
I just downloaded Vegas 13. I rendered another video and it happened again at 80%. Thanks to you good people I knew just what to do (after48 minutes of rendering) to fix it. But WHY does Vegas ship with the GPU ON ???
Steve Mann wrote on 8/22/2014, 10:26 PM
"But WHY does Vegas ship with the GPU ON ???"

I ask the same thing often. Turning off GPU support has fixed so many people's problems it doesn't make sense to force new installations to be test subjects.

I've made the suggestion on the "Product Suggestion" page, maybe if others do as well?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/suggestions
johnmeyer wrote on 8/23/2014, 4:16 PM
I just got bit by this with an MPEG-2 render on Vegas 13. I had all sorts of glitches in the output until I turned it off. Sony support recommended that I upgrade the GPU driver and also install the latest build (I am one build behind). I haven't yet gotten around to doing that.

I totally agree: given the hundreds of GPU-related problems reported over the past few years, they could save themselves a TON of headaches by shipping with it turned off.