Grazie, AHH glad you said for my system info was 4 years old. I just updated:
System #1
Windows Version:7 64-bit
RAM:8 gigs
Processor:INtel 12 core i7 x980 4.18 GHz
Video Card:GeForce GTX 260
Sound Card:Line 6 Tone Port Ux2
Video Capture:
CD Burner:
DVD Burner:
Camera:Sony HD F1

...it reads everything into Vegas 11 accept Auto-tune.dll.

That proves that Vegas is smarter than we are and wants nothing to do with Auto Tune :)

From the Antares Knowledgebase.

Please note that we go to great pains to ensure that our plug-ins conform to the published RTAS, TDM, VST and AU specs. Unfortunately, some host programs support the various plug-in formats with various degrees of completeness. As a result, there are some programs that do not support all of the features of our plug-ins, as well as some hosts that do not support our plug-ins at all.

Incompatible Hosts
The following hosts are not compatible with the current versions of our plug-ins:
Sony Vegas

Mike

But all my Antares plug-ins worked for Vegas 9. There is something going wrong with my program for I cleared all my VST in Vegas and now when I insert it back in it loads about 80% of them then crashes.

The info I gave you came directly from Antares so that's where I'd direct my questions.
They did say that Vegas is "...not compatible with the current versions of our plug-ins".
If you're running a newer version now than you were with Pro 9, that's your problem.

Mike

Mike, that is a bummer. I think when a company like Sony makes upgrades they should consider all the major plug-ins. Sony did something that caused this not to work. I know Antares is not their company but Sony makes many other plug-ins work when there are newer versions. I will contact them Antares today and ty for the info and listening to me vent.

Hooray for Vegas not recognizing Auto-tune. We need all editing programs to not recognize Autotune so this Auto-tune stupidness can be a thing of the past.

Sorry Randini but I don't think too many folks on here would consider Auto-tune a major plug-in.
When Sony (or any other software company) brings out a new release of software, it's the other company's job to make their software work with Sony, not the other way around.
Sony gives them the new release information but that's as far as their responsibility goes.

Mike

We need all editing programs to not recognize Autotune so this Auto-tune stupidness can be a thing of the past.

Even my 16 yr. old daughter has learned to despise auto-tuned songs.
Looks like I did at least one thing right in raising her :)

Mike

Even my 16 yr. old daughter has learned to despise auto-tuned songs.I guess that means she refuses to watch "Glee."

I guess that means she refuses to watch "Glee."

Sorry John but that's one of her favourite shows :(
Her taste in music leans towards indy-type bands though which is good for me as concerts for them are $25 instead of $100 or more for the big name acts.

Mike

Sorry John but that's one of her favourite shows :(That's surprising because the usage of auto-tune on that show is rampant. I watched a few episodes earlier this year, but the artificiality of the singing (due to auto-tune) was just too annoying. Also, someone sent me a link of a "live" performance by some of the cast members (I put "live" in quotes because it was obvious that some of the background vocals were being lip-synced), and the lead singers were singing live, but without auto-tune, and they actually were not able to sing on key -- not even close!

That's surprising because the usage of auto-tune on that show is rampant.

To her credit, she does realize that.
It also has (her words, not mine) several cute guys and lots of teen angst :)

The lack of real talent on the live show doesn't surprise me and that's why I refused to pay (almost) $100 per ticket to go to the show when it was on tour.
All of this bad singing makes me wonder just how "real" some of the TV performers we used to watch as kids were (for example, the cast of the Beach Party movies).

Mike

All of this bad singing makes me wonder just how "real" some of the TV performers we used to watch as kids were (for example, the cast of the Beach Party movies).I think I already mentioned that I collect these old performances and now have several thousand in my collection, including most of the old "Shindig" TV show that I restored for a collector. I can spot a fake performance in an instant. All the D-i-c-k Clark stuff ("American Bandstand" in particular) is totally fake. (I had to spell out Clark's first name because this forum's obscenity filter blanked out his first name!)

Many of the 1960s variety shows used pre-recorded music and background vocals, and only the lead singer was live. In fact, much of the time they didn't even bother to run wires to the electric guitars (there were no wireless mics or guitar pickups in those days, so if there was no wire going to a solid-body guitar, you could be 100% certain it was fake).

Also, some performers almost never sang live, regardless of what show they were on. I don't think "Paul Revere and the Raiders" ever sang live. The Monkees seldom did any real performing. The "Mamas and the Papas" almost never sang live (the "Monterey Pop Festival" was the big exception, and the audio on that was totally screwed up). However, those groups that did perform live were sometimes better than their recorded material. The "Kinks" were much, much better than their simple-minded three-chord songs would have made you believe. Also, some performers were incapable of a bad performance. Janis Joplin always sang live, and was totally mesmerizing every time she performed. Same goes for Tina Turner. Some performers who are almost forgotten, like Lulu, were much better live than their recordings would indicate. And some had a professionalism that you wouldn't have expected from a young pop star. Leslie Gore, if you see her in the famous TAMI performance in 1964, looks like she is performing at the Sands in Las Vegas. Very polished for a pop star.

Today, performers can rely on crutches like Autotune and also on elaborate staging, including light shows and fireworks, both of which can mask their lack of real talent. However, as always, there are plenty of great performers playing somewhere else, which makes it easy to change the channel (as I do with "Glee") when I see someone lip-syncing, miming, or just going through the motions.

Oh, and as for "Beach Blanket Bing" and "How to Stuff a Wild Bikini," like all movie films, they were lip syncing, but I'm pretty sure it was Frankie and Annette's voices we were hearing.

It sounds like once you peek behind the curtain and see the real wizard, much of the original magic is lost to you forever.

I understand how so many people despise Auto-tune but I personally use it to fix just maybe one person in a 5 part harmony after that bad singer left the studio. What would you rather do, call back that singer to fix one part or just use Autotune and save time and money? The fact is the end result is greatness. Isn't that what it is all about?

Also note that Antares has many other plug-ins that I use other than Auto-tune.

I understand how so many people despise Auto-tune but I personally use it to fix just maybe one person in a 5 part harmony after that bad singer left the studio. What would you rather do, call back that singer to fix one part or just use Autotune and save time and money? The fact is the end result is greatness. Isn't that what it is all about?I have no problem with that, or with using it to create the Cher "Believe" effect. However, when it is used for the entire performance of every single singer, it is exactly like listening to a synthesizer instead of the real instrument. Yes, a synthesizer can produce great music, but it completely lacks the color and individuality of the original instrument. This originality includes all the flaws and temperament inherent in the physics of that particular instrument.

When the instrument is the human voice, using Autotune almost completely removes all the subtleties -- including singing flat like Cher, or sharp like Whitney Houston.

I just listened to a bunch of old Eartha Kitt recordings yesterday and cannot imagine what that smokey, sultry voice would sound like if processed by Autotune. It definitely would no longer be Eartha.

Johnmeyer, I totally agree with you.
I got a response from Antares and they said the following:

From what I understand, the 64 bit version of Sony Vegas 11 is not able to use 32 bit plug-ins. Antares plug-ins are all still 32 bit. We are moving towards getting 64 bit versions of our plug-ins, but we do not have release date yet. We are hoping sooner rather than later. Please stay tuned for 64 bit releases of our plug-ins.

In order to use 32 bit plug-ins with Vegas 11, you will need to use the 32 bit version to be able to use 32 bit plug-ins.

Unfortunately, Sony Vegas is on our "Minimally Compatible Hosts" list and some incompatibilities might unfortunately exist. Please see our "Host Compatibility" list:

I responded:


I completely understand and appreciate your time explaining it. Maybe you can make a suggestion to push the "Minimally Compatible Hosts" to normal. It is just a human being we all have to work on our weaknesses. Your company has great plug-ins and I can't wait to use them in my 64 bit.

Thank you,
Randy