Vegas 17 video card recommendation

Tweedster wrote on 8/5/2019, 4:07 PM

New build for Vegas 17. I have so far: i9-9900k w/ 64 gig RAM, Samsung NVMe’s, and a Z390 chipset.

Machine to be used for live music and talk show. 5 cameras at 1920 x 1080. 3 Cameras are Panasonic V750/770 AVCHD 60p format, and 2 are GoPro Hero 5 blacks shooting HD. 8 tracks of audio. End product is YouTube 10 minute clips

RTX 2080 Super or 2070 Super? Or AMD 5700 xt AIB? Have the dosh, want performance

Previous experience: Vegas 13 with 6 core E3 and GTX970 w one camera at 1920 x 1080 and 8 tracks of audio. Renders to h.264 for you tube were painfully slow, w frequent crashes and glitches. Had a Powercolor AMD 290 that gave me fits w driver issues, went to the GTX970 and was ok. Have things gotten better?

 

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fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 4:17 PM

I haven't confirmed hardware decoding works on AMD cards yet, so I'd go with Nvidia.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

tripleflip18 wrote on 8/5/2019, 7:03 PM

my amd radeon 7 is not accelerating hevc from hero 7 black (4k 60p). my laptops 6 core 4.5ghz and nvidia 2060 is not accelerating it either. am i doing anything wrong?

fr0sty wrote on 8/5/2019, 10:20 PM

I know there were some driver issues with AMD holding up support there, but the Nvidia card should be working. Make sure you have the latest creator (not game ready) driver from Nvidia installed.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Former user wrote on 8/6/2019, 12:23 AM

my amd radeon 7 is not accelerating hevc from hero 7 black (4k 60p). my laptops 6 core 4.5ghz and nvidia 2060 is not accelerating it either. am i doing anything wrong?

It's the video decode box in task manager that should show activity with timeline playback. I don't have vegas17, so this is not showing it working.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/6/2019, 12:53 AM

The RTX 2080 Ti seems to be the best choice at the moment.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

fr0sty wrote on 8/6/2019, 12:56 AM

There's also the SUPER series of RTX cards that just dropped.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

GJeffrey wrote on 8/6/2019, 12:59 AM

my amd radeon 7 is not accelerating hevc from hero 7 black (4k 60p). my laptops 6 core 4.5ghz and nvidia 2060 is not accelerating it either. am i doing anything wrong?

Make sure that nvenc is selected in the preferences under file i/o tab.

On my computer, Vegas was default to Intel QSV even though my cpu doesn't have integrated GPU.

It looks like that Vegas doesn't detect the GPU on launch and automatically set up the right option.

fr0sty wrote on 8/6/2019, 1:06 AM

What CPU do you have?

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Former user wrote on 8/6/2019, 3:19 AM

Video Decode: Intel QSV, NVIDIA NVDEC

Video Encode: AMD VCE, Intel QSV, NVIDIA NVENC

AMD support always lags Intel and Nvidia. Maybe they'll add it in an update (like VCE/NVENC Encoding in VP15).

CPU doesn't matter. Only AMD APUs have iGPUs, and the NLE will only support VCE Encode Acceleration on them.

The new "Lossless Intermediate" format they have requires specific NVIDIA hardware...

Though no where on the website (that I could find) is it specified exactly what specific hardware is required.

Don't need a Super GPU for VEGAS, since the NVENC/NVDEC is external to the actual GPU chip itself (just on the same board). Most VEGAS Effects are DirectX/OpenFX Effects that use OpenGL/OpenCL. So you will gain something with a more powerful GPU... but not nearly as much as if the effects were CUDA-based/optimized (at which point you want to go with a higher end GPU for the CUDA Cores, etc.).

That being said, Resolve's ResolveFX are real-time on HEVC footage on a laptop with a GTX1050 (not Ti), on top of Resolves much heftier GPU requirements... so, you'd really need to justify the cost with real-world productivity gains before out the kind of cash those high end GPUs cost.

Len Kaufman wrote on 8/6/2019, 8:08 AM

@fr0sty "I know there were some driver issues with AMD holding up support there, but the Nvidia card should be working. Make sure you have the latest creator (not game ready) driver from Nvidia installed."

Do you know if there are 2 flavors of drivers for AMD as well (something like gamer/creator)? I haven't seen any such.

 

Tweedster wrote on 8/6/2019, 8:13 AM

 

Thank you everyone for helping me out (on my first post!)

Considering my workflow demands (5 streams of 1080p @ 60 FPS, 8 tracks audio) as outlined in the OP, I’m leaning towards the RTX 2080 Super/2070 Super. Also previous AMD driver issues in previous builds leaves me with a feeling of deja vu.

comments/warnings?

Thank you again.

tripleflip18 wrote on 8/6/2019, 9:25 AM

can someone with hero 7 black 4k 60p test nvidia card timeline playback and post results how its performing (used or not used with % of GPU and CPU) Thank you My radeon 7 is used about 20% and cpu 55-80% which is more then in V16 and can playback between 30-60fps but its a bit glitchy and jumpy... multicam with hero 7 4k/60p and nx1 4k/30p its a crawl of like 1fps and gpu is not used for some reason. Premiere pro can handle dual cam buttersmooth of above setup at about 30% cpu usage and 7% GPU. just can't stand premieres pro layout specially working with sound

Tweedster wrote on 8/6/2019, 8:19 PM

Went wth the Rtx2070 super. Will report after install and testing.

rtbond wrote on 10/30/2019, 6:29 AM

Went wth the Rtx2070 super. Will report after install and testing.

Any updates on your build satisfaction? I am planning a new build in the next month or two.

  • I am curious why you targeted a Z370 based build rather than a x299 based build.
  • Also, did you go with the RTX 2070 over the RTX 2080 for cost reasons (price-performance)? Are you happy with the RTX 2070 with Vegas Pro 17?

Rob Bond

My System Info:

  • Vegas Pro 22 Build 194
  • OS: Windows 11.0 Home (64-bit), Version: 10.0.26100 Build 26100
  • Processor: i9-10940X CPU @ 3.30GHz (14 core)
  • Physical memory: 64GB (Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 memory kit)
  • Motherboard Model: MSI x299 Creator (MS-7B96)
  • GPU: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC ULTRA (Studio Driver Version =  536.40)
  • Storage: Dual Samsung 970 EVO 1TB SSD (boot and Render); WDC WD4004FZWX, 7200 RPM (media)
  • Primary Display: Dell UltraSharp 27, U2723QE, 4K monitor with 98% DCI-P3 and DisplayHDR 400 with Dell Display Manager
  • Secondary Display: LG 32UK550-B, entry-level 4k/HDR-10 level monitor, @95% DCI-P3 coverage