Vegas 19: Adjustment tracks

bnz wrote on 8/19/2021, 10:37 AM

Has anyone figured out how to use the adjustment tracks? I thought it would be easy, but without a manual, I somehow don't get it. My thought was the I can somehow drag an effect onto the track and then bind a parameter to the curve. But that bind to curve part is where I'm lost. Or maybe I'm expecting something different than what it is.

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eikira wrote on 8/19/2021, 10:56 AM

The FX you need to put on the track settings itself:

First make the FX button visable:

Enable the FX:

After that, you can click on the now visable track the fx button:

Now when you add an effect it will apply it on the tracks below the adjustment track. in this example from the original blue white gradient after color changing to pink white

Nothing was changed on the gradient track or the gradient event itself.

bnz wrote on 8/19/2021, 11:28 AM

Hm, so this is like an empty videotrack with composite moved to the front? Nothing else?

eikira wrote on 8/19/2021, 11:52 AM

Hm, so this is like an empty videotrack with composite moved to the front? Nothing else?

Cant say what else is to it, maybe the manual will give more detailed information what you can do with it. Right now i found that usecase for it so it does not touch the videotracks itself and you can play with it how you like. I assume you could load effects into it which generate events, lets say you have a plugin installed that generates particles and does that normaly as an event, you also could use the adjustment track for that so its not totally empty.

Since i have not gotten my serial yet, i have also no access to download the manual (if somebody has it already in german, i would like the link to it) cant say what else is possible.

fr0sty wrote on 8/19/2021, 12:22 PM

The manual isn't yet updated, unfortunately... but yes, the adjustment tracks are just empty tracks you add effects to, and every track beneath them gets that effect applied. You could do something similar in the past by grouping tracks and applying an effect to the parent track, but this allows more flexibility when doing that sort of thing. It also allows you to fade that effect in and out using the composite rubber band, and it applies that to all the tracks below.

monoparadox wrote on 8/19/2021, 12:26 PM

You can set track keyframes for each effect and apply the mute envelope. Anything else?

fr0sty wrote on 8/19/2021, 12:44 PM

Track keyframes, mute envelope, composite envelope, track motion (I haven't tried this, but in theory it should work) to reposition the adjustment layer so it only covers part of the screen.

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set wrote on 8/19/2021, 5:23 PM

If you want to make it appear like there's 'something' on that Adjustment Track, you can right click Insert Empty Event:

Well, Empty Event does nothing, but can 'lock' and maintain the envelope points or track keyframes in case you need to move or multiply the 'adjustment settings'.

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gary-rebholz wrote on 8/20/2021, 8:30 AM

You can also create a parent/child track relationship with the Adjustment track as the parent. This then limits the Adjustment track to affecting only its children, which means you can safely put other tracks below that Parent/Child family and those additional tracks would be immune to the FX on the adjustment tracks.

To answer @bnz's question ("...so this is like an empty videotrack with composite moved to the front?...") directly, you are correct that you could have done all of this manually even stretching back to the original version of VP. But clearly there was a major discoverability problem since so many requests came in for Adjustment tracks over the years. So the new feature is that it is now far more discoverable and automatic for the user which is a benefit to the many who do not understand the compositing order trick you mention.

eikira wrote on 8/20/2021, 2:50 PM

what is not good, that if you 'SOLO' a track the effects of the adjustment track is not applied... thats actually very bad and no fun and kills a big part of the adjustment track. i have very often do do 'SOLO' tracks because i work on multicam stuff often. that means i have always to enable 'SOLO' on the adjustmenttrack too.......

levijudah wrote on 8/20/2021, 4:17 PM

@eikira, Can you parent/child a "Group Track" to the Adjustment Track? Or Include the Adjustment track in a Group Track?

eikira wrote on 8/20/2021, 4:40 PM

@eikira, Can you parent/child a "Group Track" to the Adjustment Track? Or Include the Adjustment track in a Group Track?

Oh sure i can, completely forgot that. but it does not need grouping, only if you want to remain the affaction on those track, but for some odd reason i forgot to parent/child. Thanks for reminding.

pierre-k wrote on 8/22/2021, 4:18 AM

I may be doing something wrong, but I thought this feature would have a lot more options.

1. It would be great if I could insert an empty transition event into the Adjust Track and all the tracks below it would obey it. I often need to insert the same transition on several tracks with graphics.

2. Possibility to insert FX into empty events. Child tracks would behave according to empty events with FX in the Adjust Track.

 

The feature that works now is too simple, or I didn't understand it without instructions.

 

pierre-k wrote on 8/22/2021, 4:35 AM

But clearly there was a major discoverability problem since so many requests came in for Adjustment tracks over the years. So the new feature is that it is now far more discoverable and automatic for the user which is a benefit to the many who do not understand the compositing order trick you mention.

The problem with the discoverability of features in the latest versions of Vegas is unfortunately your job. Previously, all features were clearly visible. Now you are hiding them and waiting for the user to come to them himself. If a new user opens the last 3 versions of Vegas, they don't see anything. The user interface looks like Premiere. If I hadn't known Vegas before, I would have thought Vegas couldn't do much.

example:

With each new version, I have to work hard to re-visualize the features that are great in Vegas. Why are you hiding the Record button ???? I really don't understand. Think about it. I am convinced that your path for the new user is incorrect.

Marco. wrote on 8/22/2021, 6:46 AM

I disagree. If you would "unhide" all VP features (which never had been the case) the GUI would be extremely overloaded. A clear minimalistic GUI helps streamlining a workflow. And it's great VP offers many way to customize the GUI. I'm glad the record button is hidden by default because I need it twice a year, and this is the case for many features which many people either don't use at all or rarely use. Workflows and demands are so different. Customizing takes a few minutes and you'd do it only once. So I very welcome the way it evolved.

RogerS wrote on 8/22/2021, 7:12 AM

I don't really get why Fx are hidden by default but agree on not needing record (ever).

I wish the toolbar would stay hidden between relaunches of Vegas to free up screen space.

I also wish I could customize the next row of icons and get rid of import CD and other legacy options. It's already there under Import Media.

Dexcon wrote on 8/22/2021, 7:17 AM

+1 ... It enables decluttering which, to my mind, is good.

I'm glad the record button is hidden by default because I need it twice a year

That often! 🙂🙂🙂 I've never used the record button since I started with VP10.

 

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pierre-k wrote on 8/22/2021, 7:51 AM

I use the record button often because I'm adding comments to a video in Vegas. It is mainly a principle. No need to get stuck on one button. If a developer complains that users don't know how to use parental and child footprints and intentionally hides them, there's probably something wrong, right?

joelsonforte.br wrote on 8/22/2021, 1:39 PM

Here the composite level envelope of the adjustment track does not work when the GPU is set to OFF. Can you confirm this?

set wrote on 8/22/2021, 5:48 PM

@joelsonforte.br - confirmed

Thanks for letting us know...

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joelsonforte.br wrote on 8/22/2021, 9:03 PM

@set Thanks for confirming.