Okay. Next bug - that's defenitely something wrong with with Proress and XAVC codecs.

Clips from A7s3 looks terrible after applying LUT when before on V20 I haven't had any problems. Too much artefacts on clip without any hardcore color grading - clips are in 10bit. I only set Log Exposure on 0.17 when on Canon clips which are MPEG-4 8bit I set on 0.358 or even higher and there isn't any artefacts.

5. After clicking CANCEL while I am rendering, V23 freeze and close instanly.
 

This is a serious bug will fix as soon as possible. We are working on this.

Found another one:


Trackmotion is not working on track where I have a7s3 clips. This project was edited on V20, then I opened it in V23 and saved to V23 version. And tracks which were edited in V20 with a7s3 clips, trackmotion don't work.
Later I scroll up to todays tracks where I copied clips from side project to main project and trackmotion is working but on older track it didn't.

But I found sollution. I needed to make new keyframe in trackmotion window and it works but when I had older keyframe it does not. I must use trackmotion to get rid off glitch bar on the right on a7s3 clips.

Okay. Next bug - that's defenitely something wrong with with Proress and XAVC codecs.

Clips from A7s3 looks terrible after applying LUT when before on V20 I haven't had any problems. Too much artefacts on clip without any hardcore color grading - clips are in 10bit. I only set Log Exposure on 0.17 when on Canon clips which are MPEG-4 8bit I set on 0.358 or even higher and there isn't any artefacts.

Are you in 32-bit full mode with view transform off for this? Also preview quality to best/full. I'm also using LUTs with Sony XAVCS.

Could you share a screenshot of this one?

3. On clips from Sony A7S3 I have strange glitch bar on right I am not able to make it disappear. I need to slightly zoom clip to make it disappear. On any other clips from Canon cameras everything is perfect.

If you can please also share a short sample of media via a sharing service which has this issue. I'd like to confirm it here.

4. Clips from DJI Mini 2 are laggy when before on Vegas20 everything was perfect. Here I have clips with the same settings than before I was using on V20.

Are the settings in preferences/ file io on defaults? If not please return them to defaults as the options mean different things in 20 vs 23.

Newest bugs which I found:

When I want to edit as fast as I can, often I have bug when I cannot click on clips because there is "pop-up" with velocity like in point 7. in first post but today I found that even if I don't change speed exactly on that clip which I want to select, speed is changing on some random clip in project. It is frustrating because when I have projects where movie is 90minutes long it is hard to find on which clip I change speed... it is so random.
In video preview I see clip on which I have timeline marker but speed is changing in other clips.

Most often I cannot even split clip because hand with arrows are popping out to change start/end clip but even if I want to move it, I cannot.


Other one is that V23 is so laggy. On V20 I could copy files from one V20 to another one (two vegas was turned on in the same time) and changing software was so fast. Now if I want to move clips from V23 to another one, V23 is so laggy. I need to wait about 1-2minutes to unfreeze software... then if I want to copy clips I need to wait another 1-2 minutes and then I can paste it into another V23. I am not able now to edit when I have two V23 opened up with two different projects when before on V20 it was so fast.

Today Was really funny bug. I had opened only V23 and some chrome tabs. After I drag multicamera clips on timeline to sort them V23 freeze. But not only it, whole PC freeze and it I had black screen. I was not able to close it like any other software which freeze, it crash whole Explorer.exe, even when I tried to open new task Explorer.exe it Just does not work. I needed to restart whole PC

It looks like your GPU driver died.

The hand with two arrows is not the trim tool, it changes the Snap Offset. In VEGAS you need to grab the event edge and not the lower left corner.

If the velocity envelops get into you way - why not simply disable or hide those?

 

It looks like your GPU driver died.

The hand with two arrows is not the trim tool, it changes the Snap Offset. In VEGAS you need to grab the event edge and not the lower left corner.

If the velocity envelops get into you way - why not simply disable or hide those?

 

Yeah. I mean snap offset, sorry but my English is not very good 😅 Yes it is exactly how you write but in my case it Just keep popping up and I could not select clip. It is happening always when I make a lot of actions like moving clips, then set velocity, than some pan/crop and after about 5 minutes of that fast editing it always get bugged.

Its not about velocity envelops on that exact clip. I would try to make again this bug and I try to record it to help you understand more. But for now - when I want to move clips on which I dont have velocity turned on, sometimes it is saying that I am changing velocity of that clip but I dont change speed of that clip, instead it is changing velocity on some random clip in whole project

Other one is that V23 is so laggy. On V20 I could copy files from one V20 to another one (two vegas was turned on in the same time) and changing software was so fast. Now if I want to move clips from V23 to another one, V23 is so laggy. I need to wait about 1-2minutes to unfreeze software... then if I want to copy clips I need to wait another 1-2 minutes and then I can paste it into another V23. I am not able now to edit when I have two V23 opened up with two different projects when before on V20 it was so fast

Do you have Task Manager open to monitor your computer? You have listed that you have 16GB of RAM. How much system RAM is used by Vegas with your project open? If you are close to your limit (I can easily consume a lot of RAM with my short 4K projects), that is when you start using "virtual memory", your hard drive.

There has been a lot of changes under the hood of VP23. You see them. They take up additional RAM. What I've found with the initial release of a new version of Vegas is that there is more system RAM being used. The installation files are bigger. Also, the video engine is still being worked on, so I would expect improvements in performance over time. That handling of greater "information" being moved within the software does require a more robust computer until things are further optimized.

Some things operate smoother in VP22 than VP23, but I remember the release of VP22 and how people were pointing to issues they were experiencing. By the end of the VP22 life cycle, for me, it was working great.

It is good that people point out the issues they are experiencing. That is the only way the software can be improved. Also, have you downloaded the beta build yet? And when you are asked a question from someone trying to troubleshoot and help, how about actually answering them? Just posting bugs doesn't get to the bottom of the issue.

Other one is that V23 is so laggy. On V20 I could copy files from one V20 to another one (two vegas was turned on in the same time) and changing software was so fast. Now if I want to move clips from V23 to another one, V23 is so laggy. I need to wait about 1-2minutes to unfreeze software... then if I want to copy clips I need to wait another 1-2 minutes and then I can paste it into another V23. I am not able now to edit when I have two V23 opened up with two different projects when before on V20 it was so fast

Do you have Task Manager open to monitor your computer? You have listed that you have 16GB of RAM. How much system RAM is used by Vegas with your project open? If you are close to your limit (I can easily consume a lot of RAM with my short 4K projects), that is when you start using "virtual memory", your hard drive.

There has been a lot of changes under the hood of VP23. You see them. They take up additional RAM. What I've found with the initial release of a new version of Vegas is that there is more system RAM being used. The installation files are bigger. Also, the video engine is still being worked on, so I would expect improvements in performance over time. That handling of greater "information" being moved within the software does require a more robust computer until things are further optimized.

Some things operate smoother in VP22 than VP23, but I remember the release of VP22 and how people were pointing to issues they were experiencing. By the end of the VP22 life cycle, for me, it was working great.

It is good that people point out the issues they are experiencing. That is the only way the software can be improved. Also, have you downloaded the beta build yet? And when you are asked a question from someone trying to troubleshoot and help, how about actually answering them? Just posting bugs doesn't get to the bottom of the issue.

Thank you for reply.

I have 32gb RAM. And when I work I most of the time have 70-80% RAM used by all of softwares.

I didnt reply to Roge​rS because I wanted to point issues. With a7s3 clips bug I am not alone, few people on other thread said that they have this bug too. And about second this what RogerS meant - I have default file I/O settings so thats why I didnt reply because I thought it is useless to reply.

Thats why I wanted to write all the bugs which I found. I am happy user of Vegas since it was made as Sony Vegas and I dont want to blame creators how bad they are or something like that. I just wanted let them know that there are some kinds of bugs which are repeating.

So if this thread is somehow offensive I would like to apologize but I didnt mean to.​

Update your Signature. You have 16GB listed.

No one is saying your bug thread is offensive. But when asked questions, it is for a reason. When a moderator (RogerS) asks questions, it is to escalate the issue to the developers. They have to be precise and test for themselves too. All of this is to see if the bug is real (sometimes people post "bugs" that aren't, but user error) and a way that it can be duplicated by others.

You might think the questions asked are not useful, but you can not assume that, and it is only respectful to answer someone trying to help. Even if the help doesn't fix the issue.

Without an actual clip, how can anyone reproduce the issue? I don't have the same file formats that you have. I use a different camera and don't have the issues that you are experiencing. But, if someone asked for a sample clip, I would provide it so they can either confirm the bug or say there might be something wrong on my end.

No problem with English not being your native language. We will be through this together. We all want Vegas to improve so we all have to work together.

Update your Signature. You have 16GB listed.

No one is saying your bug thread is offensive. But when asked questions, it is for a reason. When a moderator (RogerS) asks questions, it is to escalate the issue to the developers. They have to be precise and test for themselves too. All of this is to see if the bug is real (sometimes people post "bugs" that aren't, but user error) and a way that it can be duplicated by others.

You might think the questions asked are not useful, but you can not assume that, and it is only respectful to answer someone trying to help. Even if the help doesn't fix the issue.

Without an actual clip, how can anyone reproduce the issue? I don't have the same file formats that you have. I use a different camera and don't have the issues that you are experiencing. But, if someone asked for a sample clip, I would provide it so they can either confirm the bug or say there might be something wrong on my end.

No problem with English not being your native language. We will be through this together. We all want Vegas to improve so we all have to work together.

Yeah my bad, but as I said some people wrote that they have the same issue as mine so that's why I didn't upload files.

Here is link for a7s3 files:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jLAxPJra9QK89E9cdqJoE8pvlyvx09QI?usp=sharing

@Komaryt I haven't forgotten, just tied up at the moment. I downloaded the files. Thanks!

@Komaryt ahh..... a Polish wedding! I've been to many here in Poland. I live in Lublin. Again, thanks for the clips.

In no particular order

1. Your clips played back without any issues at full framerate on my computer with Best>Full.

2. Adjusting the clip length (dragging it to make it shorter or extending it) isn't as smooth as I would like it myself.

3. I shot aerial footage with a Mini 3 Pro using D-Cinelike 4K 150Mbps. Never an issue using the footage, timeline playback or grading it.

4. Others have reported the same issue as you when you click CANCEL during rendering. I personally have yet to experience this myself, but several others have. I believe I read somewhere that the developers are aware of this and are working on it.

5. Color grading. I used the Vegas built in LUT for S-Log 3 to Rec 709 and adjusting it. I do not see any additional borders on the clip. I also looked at it on my second monitor and it was full screen. As to artifacts, it might be my eyes (they are very old), but I can't say I am seeing anything after applying the LUT. The clip with the bride putting on her earrings and zooming in (Best>Full) and looking at the white area, no color changes.

5. AI Mask and Sharpen take up a LOT the computing power that you have. But there is a lot of computations happening. I do not believe that it has been fully optimized yet, because I too get what seems to be long times in using them. But I have to say, I dropped AI Sharpen again, on the color graded clip of the bride, and it was instant. Playback was around 50fps Best>Full, although it did look a little "choppy". Best>Auto looked much smoother.

AI Masking.... painfully slow. I also get a lot of "AI Mask not responding", then it does respond. The bride clip would take almost 32 minutes to mask. Nope... not for me. I did think it performed better in VP22/21, but I don't use masking much at all.

6. I always see the video in the Preview window while rendering. Always.

I have a few projects that require my utmost attention, but I wanted to let you know my results so far using your footage. As for freezing, when I load my projects, it takes a really REALLY long time for the computer to settle down after everything has been populated on the timeline and Project Media. I have Task Manager open to monitor what the computer is doing. The CPU will be heavily used for a very long period of time with disk accessing too. I have no idea what is going on, because everything seems to be loaded. And if I want to Render, and click the Render button, I get a silent crash to the desktop. So, I've resorted to going to the kitchen to get something to drink, stretch, go out on the balcony, and wait for computer activity to reach "0", then I begin working. I don't remember ever having to do this in past versions of Vegas.

Hi! I will reply for your comment later, idk if I will find time today or later this week. I have to catch up on deadlines but anyways thank you for reply! 

One this which interesed me is that you don't have glitch bar. I have on every preview options :( I always use best->full for edit/color grading and I have that glitched bar everytime :( 
but maybe beta release of new update might repair it (I concluded that you are using beta new version) but at that time I don't want to update because I need to catch up deadlines as I said before :D 

@Komaryt yes, I am using the new beta patch.

Take your time, finish what you have to do. I never update when I have pending projects unless there is a bug that is stopping me from completing it.

The only difference basically between our computers is the GPU. I have AMD you have Nvidia.

Hi! Reyfox thank you for your time and that you checked this bugs.

After more edit in few days I see that maybe my PC is the problem that causes laggy preview on drone footage but I tried it in V20 and it was smooth so I assume that V23 use components more than V20 and my PC isn't strong enough to handle V23 I will defenitely look for that case after I buy new PC.

About Vegas freeze bug or long load after I change vegas window to another opened vegas - Solution from VegasFlorian worked! And now it is working perfectly. THANK YOU!!!

But I still didn't solve the problem with no video preview while I am rendering. It's just black screen even when I have "show video in preview window" checked. It is not a big deal for me but I wanted let to know that this kind of bug is.

Bug with random changing velocity is still here. It is hard for me to record with phone or screen recorder because I don't know what is going on with it. It's like when I am normally editing and have velocity turned on - on clips on 10minute video - and when I want to drag clips which are on timeline on 58minute often I have popup that I am changing velocity when I want to drag that clip but it is not changing velocity on THAT EXACT clip, it is changing velocity on some random clip in whole project which has velocity turned on. When I have 600 or more clips it's hard to find but yesterday I figure that when I see that coming I instanly press ctrl+z and it fix that random clip.

Yesterday I had bug that I was not able to click FX or PAN/CROP in top of the clip even if my mouse was directly above that button. I was not able to click that. I needed to strong zoom in whole timeline to be able to click pan/crop.

@Komaryt curious as to how many tracks you are using. As for the drone footage, no issues with mine. If you can provide one of yours I will test.

I know you do event work, and I am thinking the issue is with the length of your videos. I've exceeded 30 minutes once this year, but everything went well. It wasn't a complex video in the least. I was able to edit for 5 hours straight before stopping to stretch and restart the computer.

I've had issues where with Boris FX, the FX Editor would not open, and I had to restart the computer and all was well. Also, when doing pan/zoom in Event Pan/Crop, although the settings were correct, doing the zoom would remove part of the image. But I am able to select Event Pan/Crop every time without issue.

I am looking to get a larger 4K monitor. My eyes aren't what they used to be.

Hmm.. It is hard to tell because projects where I have almost 6hours of total material are more smooth than projects where I have only 1h of total but I have almost 900 marks made to song beat for 20minute movie.

Yesterday V23 on that project crashed 15 times xD I was not able to edit even 1minute of main movie so I changed project to wedding party where I had multicam for 3 cameras, lot of material and I was able to edit whole party without any crash.