First of all, those who would know have NDA agreements so you will never find anything out prematurely-----Yes there should be bins but who knows---as far as release goes, the Sonic Foundry site says sometime during the first quarter of 2003.

No details of Version 4 have been released. SoFo for good reasons has a policy of not speaking of possible features or release dates of future versions in advance. Folks on the forums are guessing that it will be in the Spring based on statements made in a stock holder's report. I personally believe they may be targeting the Spring, but having done a fair amount of software development I can tell you that targets are just that. They were hoping that the ACID Dolby encoder would be ready at the start of November and things beyond thier control have delayed it.

In the mean time, enjoy VV 3. As you know it is King!

K

please, WE NEED bins.

Bins and a fix for the firewire drive "Unable to Mix Audio" bug.

Sorry to sound dense, but are/is "bins"?

Tom

Tom, bins are places you can put clips for sorting & arranging, just like you use folders for categorizing files. Vegas has only one bin, the Media Pool. It would be nice if we could make subfolders (bins) inside the media pool for organizing clips.

For media pool of course there are no bins. However, you can use VV3 explorer and have unlimited bins. Note: VV3 Explorer needs to be refreshed when you add/change a file for some unknown reason. Technically, you might consider it a "workaround", but, other than the picture you get with media pool it seems pretty much the same thing to me.

I know there has been much talk on this subject so it will probably be fixed in VV4. Still, it rates pretty low on the wish list for me.

Same here. I have never seen the need for multiple bins, as I just have my avi files in various folders. Works best that way since I capture with ScenalyzerLive. Could be that it's just a different way of organizing, or perhaps my ways are not as sophisticated as some users.

The biggest reason for having bins are when you have a media files strewn all over your disk. Like for instance my ACID loops library, my sound effects library and my clip art library. I prefer not to have multiple copies of every file I use, but rather to just link to the file from the media pool. However when you get a few dozen audio files, a few dozen video file, and a few dozen pieces of clip art, etc. it would be helpful to be able to organize them with bins within the media pool.

JBJones

Suggestion: I like having the Explorer pane right within Vegas, but I also like the thumbnails in the media pool. How about implementing WinXP's thumbnail view within the Vegas Explorer? Best of both worlds?

G

Thanks Kelly. That makes more sense. I never use the media pool at all and I actually find it to be kind of annoying since it remembers things I'm not even using any longer unless I go delete them (pops up annoying "find the clip" messages). I just use the explorer and make directories in the file system. When I start a new project I typically:

1. Create a new folder for my project
2. Drag things from other places that I know I am going to use (stock stuff)
3. Capture video and audio clips into that folder that I need
4. Start VV3 and create the timeline(s)
5. Edit/Review
6. Render
7. Use Capture to print to tape
8. Back project up on one or more CD's

The only time I need subfolders is when I want to save something and modify it outside of VV3.

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Tom

Something I would like to see is a clip library where I can put stuff I use all the time and have a tab I can go to without changing the explorer to another window. This would be a place for stock stuff. Maybe bins would give me this capability and I can certainly do it outside of VV3 so it's not such a big deal as all of that.

Tom

Since we are wishing... I'd like to see the capture program *not* play audio if Capture Audio is turned off. It is confusing to think that audio is being captured when, in fact, the option is off. I try to check every time, but it's sort of misleading to play the audio during capture when it's not being captured. At least one would know right away and could stop and change it either way.

Tom

*I agree, you can use the explorer to create a bin work around, but it would nice to create bin in the media pool.

*Frame export is required! Vegas can export a frame at at a time, but it can't export a selection from the time line as a series of frames. It needs the ability to choose the image format of the frames it dumps, along with options regulating the frame interlace settings. Vegas can import a frame sequence, but not export one. Seems to be a basic need that should be addressed. I do a lot of compositing work and its frustrating to have to use another application to dump a series of frames for editing in other applications.

*5.1 mixing would be a killer addition to Vegas Video 4. It would really solidify it as a pro tool with innovative features that other packages don't have. Vegas is already ahead with audio editing. 5.1 mixing would put it over the top.

*If possible, more SSE2 optimizations to the application. This will help out Pentium 4 users and the upcoming Athlon/Opteron line as those chips will be getting SSE2 registers. Vegas is already fast, but there is always room for improvement.

*192Khz/24-bit audio support. Vegas 3 supports 24/96Khz audio at the moment, but it would be great if it moved up to include 192Khz/24-bit and perhaps 32-bit audio. Would make for a really nice work flow from soundforge 6.

*Industry standard EDL export. Think Cinema Tools for Apple's Final Cut Pro. To be able to export The edit list from Vegas and have a third party cut film to your cut list would be awesome!

*Better 3:2 pulldown/24p support (again, think Cinema Tools)
*Support for 16-bit color (although not needed yet this could be awesome for color correction...even though most projects will be finalized at 8-bit). Higher color fidelity could allow for some very precise correction and pave the way towards HD support. Which would be killer to replace Speed Razor on the Boxx's HD editing rig.

*Multi-camera editing support/workflow options.

I could go on, but these seem the obvious places where Vegas can take a bigger lead and become the pro video tool it wants to be.

Surge
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In my opinion a lot of requests have too narrow a focus and would only serve a small handful of users. Vegas Video can't be the have all, end all one application that does everything, no more than any application can. Considering it is only in release 3, it has come a long way. I expect further refinements, not major additions.

I think a smarter approach froma marketing viewpoint would be to offer either plug-ins for special features or another free standing application like a medium priced DVD authoring package. My three cents. Inflation. <wink>

I agree that we need an export frame capability.

Further refinements and bug fixes should be 3.?,4.?, 5.? etc. Major features should be 4.0, 5.0, etc. This is standard through the computer industry.
zemote

my vote for frame export and integrated dvd authoring

Did you not notice when ACID 4.0 added 5.1 surround mixing, 192khz / 24-bit audio support, and ASIO driver support? Or when Sound Forge 6.0 added nondestructive audio editing and enhanced time zoom? The mere existence of these features shows that SoFo is building software to compete in a pro-level production enviornment.

Regarding your opinion that "... a lot of requests have too narrow a focus and would only serve a small handful of users," well your take on Vegas Video is sorely truncated. Why else would SoFo keep VideoFactory around?... for those who want 174 CUSTOMIZABLE video transitions and 115 CUSTOMIZABLE video effects... for those who look at it's WHOPPING $69.97 price tag and think "Hey, that's a steal!"...for people like YOU...because "With YOU in the Director's chair, it's the closest thing to having your own video production house on this side of Hollywood."

Come on.

Fact of the matter is, Vegas Video 3.0 is old... very much so. While the wish-list Surge propounds is a very well done, technical one... it is still only a wish-list. SoFo has this forum for a reason, and I highly doubt it's to listen to all their users demand free / cheap software so they can share their dancing Poser mannequins with their friends and loved ones on DVD, or complain about explorer's lack of full-motion thumbnails while demanding bins in bins in bins.

I think I'm done here.

-CDog

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE hardware control so we can use real faders to mix complicated audio. VEGAS is the BEST product for doing audio for video, or just for audio production. Hooking up a Mackie HUI, Recal or motomix for real faders is key! Thank you.

That whole issue of file handling is still up in the air for me. There are a ****-load of files generated during even a short project. I would like to be able to direct files by type to different subdirectories instead of have them all in one, so that I could review & clean up easier, and maybe be able to designate and protect project revisions with better clarity, and perhaps backup & offloading options.

I forgot (again) that I don't have erase protection on my AV drive!

John

Integrated DVD authoring is amateurish. Just bundle it at Video Guys. A corporate or education level package (or better) is simply another application. Unless of course somebody makes a plug-in.

John