Vegas 4 tracking. Very pleased!

stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/12/2003, 5:30 PM
I did my first tracking into Vegas 4 on Windows XP and my M-audio Delta 1010 today.

Very impressed. Input monitoring was perfect whilst pushing many tracks and some hefty plugins. No noticeable latency.

ASIO drivers have made the whole system feel so much more responsive!

No crashes. Very impressed with the automation on the busses, and especially overjoyed with the FX automation.

I've also had Gigastudio running live in conjunction, and had people playing live along with the multitracks... no issues there either (obviously I have two hard drives for that purpose!)

All in all, just wanted to say thankyou to Sonic Foundry for a fantastic, and so far trouble free upgrade!

Jason

Comments

PipelineAudio wrote on 2/12/2003, 6:32 PM
what else is in your system? Id LOVE to have results like that
Can you use external converters with the delta? Can you run enough of them for 24 simultaneous tracks? How many 24 bit tracks will the hard disk handle ?
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/13/2003, 4:19 AM
you can hook up external converters, but you need to buy another module for the Delta Card. I just run two, for 16ins, 16outs. In theory, you can run three however, for a maximum of 24 tracks.

So far, I've been very happy with the quality of the A/D conversion on the Delta, and haven't felt the need to upgrade. I've also been put off by tales of incompatabilites and glitches such as yours! If it ain't broke, why fix it?! If I move to anything, it's likely to be Apogee AD16... but I still don't know what sound card would be reliable enough. I may wait for some kind of MLAN solution.

I've instead been upgrading my outboard, Mics, Preamps, Drums, Guitar Amps etc...

My System now is self built:

MSI NVidia N-Force 2 motherboard
512MB CAS2 DDR400 SDRAM
AMD Athlon XP 2400+
Case with 300W PSU
2x M-Audio Delta 1010
1x IBM 7200RPM 60GXP 40GB HDD (for applications and GigaStudio Samples)
1x IBM 7200RPM 180GXP 8MB Cache 180GB HDD (for audio)
1x NVidia G-Force DDR Graphics Card
1x Yamaha CRWF1 44x CD writer (oh soo nice!)

Software:

Windows XP SP1
Latest NVidia Drivers etc / Patches for WinXP
No Internet Connection or Applications. Many things disabled in MSConfig.
Vegas 3 and 4, ACID 4.
(no fancy DVD or surround yet I'm afraid - I don't have the speakers!)
M-Audio Delta 1010 driver: 5.10.00.27 (I think)
Waves Gold + Masters 3.6
TC Native Bundle
Timeworks Millenium Pack
Gigastudio (2.52 I think) + Many Samples
Cool Edit Pro 1.2 (does what I want for simple Wav edits!)
SynchroArts VocAlign 1.7 (man that rocks!)

On this machine, simulataneous tracks, who knows? It depends on the plugins and how I set up the mix. At the moment I'm comfortably hovering at around 50 tracks on some of the bigger projects... and no stuttering. Using good plugins as well.

Of course... the computer is completely isolated in a machine room now... so no noise!

Jason
PipelineAudio wrote on 2/13/2003, 4:38 AM
cool!

What is the delta card that lets you use other converters?

And are you running dual monitors?
TubeLover wrote on 2/13/2003, 9:48 AM
i'm running the same thing with a pentium 4 and i've had nothing but problems!!!!!!
TubeLover wrote on 2/13/2003, 9:49 AM
i have 2 dela 1010's that run great with the windows cassic wave driver but when i use asio it crashes my whole system
TubeLover wrote on 2/13/2003, 9:54 AM
vegas 3.0 has never given me problems and still doesn't. i own 4.0 and am still using 3.0 today!! i can even run 4.0 just fine if i use the windows classic wave driver but as soon as i switch to asio, and arm a couple tracks, it crashes my system to the point of pulling the plug !!! vegas 3.0 has never done that!!! not even 2.0!!! so i'd love to know what your doing differently wbpuppy!! thanks
stakeoutstudios wrote on 2/13/2003, 10:39 AM
try unplugging one of the delta cards, and check the ASIO. Experiment with buffer sizes, and check which driver version you are using.

Try to get it working with one card first. Then plug in the second.

What's your system? are you running Windows XP? Pentium 4, What motherboard / chipset?

Jason
pwppch wrote on 2/14/2003, 12:31 AM
There are drivers on the MAudio web site labeled ACID beta drivers. Make sure you are using these drivers.

Peter
billybk wrote on 2/14/2003, 5:36 AM
"There are drivers on the MAudio web site labeled ACID beta drivers. Make sure you are using these drivers."

I agree, the "ACID40Fix" beta drivers are the only Delta drivers I would ever use at this point. The .27 drivers did not work right in ASIO mode with ACID 4 and the .29 drivers always gave BSOD's when previewing ACID loops in SONAR or ACID 4 and would would not work right in SF5 or 6(disappearing audio output, meters would be moving but no audio output, strange). Anyway, if you want to use Delta ASIO with SF apps, the "ACID40Fix" are the ones to use. It is interesting that after having taken the "ACID40Fix" drivers off the M-Audio site last December, they have suddenly been reposted again. I did not understand why they were taken off in the first place as they were the only drivers that actually worked without any problems in both WDM(with SONAR) & ASIO modes. I am glad they had sense enough to repost them again
though.

Billy Buck
Arnar wrote on 2/14/2003, 8:44 AM
"SynchroArts VocAlign 1.7 "

Is that available for Pc now??
ibliss wrote on 2/14/2003, 10:41 AM
It would seem so :) link to synchroarts site
tmrpro wrote on 2/15/2003, 1:53 PM
I'm unable to make it work right at all on a new machine that I just built specifically for multitrack audio recording with VEGAS using the Delta 1010.

Currently using build 5.10.00.29x12(beta) DELTA Drivers, but had the same problems with build 5.10.00.27.

Playing through the card is sonically perfect. Recording in Sound Forge 6.0 works perfectly, also. When I record into Vegas or Acid the recorded track snaps and pops.

The glitch is incorporated in to the file ... Opening the recorded file for playback in other apps results with the same issues.

I was led to pcAudioLabs.com to perform a fix suggested to me by Ron at M-Audio. The fix is to change from ACPI to Standard PC for IRQ management. Apparently, virtual IRQs can be a very serious problem with the DELTA. I did that.

The machine still works perfectly. Very fast, very stable. The only thing I had to do was move my Adaptec 19160 to IRQ 7 because it shared 9 with the Delta 1010. Nevertheless, it is doing exactly the same thing that it was doing prior to changing the IRQ management.

I'm stumped. Recording directly into Sound Forge 6.0 with DELTA is fine, but recording into Vegas or Acid does not work correctly on this system. It sounds like the clock is unlocked on playback of the recorded track. Interesting discovery was that the system can playback 24 tracks of 24 bit audio (recorded on an MX-2424 rendered and imported into Vegas) perfectly with asio or wav.

Machine specifics:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional
ASUS P4T533-C Motherboard Intel 850E chipset
INTEL PENTIUM 4 2.4BG - 478
(4) 256MB 1066MHZ NON-ECC RAMBUS RDRAM (1 gig total)
Adaptec 19160 SCSI controller
Maxtor 18 Gig HD (for audio files only)
(2) IBM 120GB UATA-100 DESKSTAR 180GXP 7200RPM (for OS & apps)
LITE ON 48X/24X/48X EIDE INTERNAL CDRW
FILE SERVER TOWER W/SL400 400W Power Supply
Delta 1010

I've tried multiple buffer settings on both the apps and the sound card configs. I've also tried using the ASIO or WAV methods, each with the same results. Also, I've experienced the problem with both Vegas 3.0 and the latest 4.0 version.

I have a very similar machine with the ASUS P4TE with 1G of 800MHZ RAMBUS and I've ran up to 142 full length rendered tracks of 24 bit 48K audio perfectly with Vegas-3. Machine's hardware difference is it is using the ECHO - MIA sound card and the LYNXone sound card. I can only record up to two stereo pairs on that machine, but it works perfectly right out of the box.

I built this new machine because I want to start multi-tracking directly in to it using Vegas as my primary MultiTrack App and I thought I'd start with 1 DELTA and eventually move to 3 when I made it happy. It's not happy yet, and I don't know what to do to make it happy.
pwppch wrote on 2/15/2003, 4:47 PM
I begged them to repost these drivers as I was sending them out to users on a regular basis.

I hope that this gets settled soon. It is very confusing on the MAudio site as to what the correct drivers are.

Peter
rgcote wrote on 10/22/2003, 12:03 PM
I have been trying to buy a computer that will handle a sufficient number of tracks in Vegas Audio 2.0. The current system I am evaluating from Dell can handle about 10 or 12 tracks without too much trouble, but I was able to do that many tracks with a 433MHz Celeron so I'm not too impressed with the Dell computer. I expected to be able to do at least 20 simultaneous tracks with real time effects (e.g. compressor, EQ, noise gate, reverb).

Given my system configuration (shown below), can you recommend anything I can do to substantially improve performance?

Intel Pentium 4 2.4 GHz, 800 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache
Dual DDR SDRAM 256 Mb
Primary Hard Disk: IDE 40Gb 7200 RPM (where Vegas is installed)
Secondary Hard Disk: EIDE 60Gb 5400 RPM (where tracks are stored). Configured as a master on an IDE bus with a CD-RW as a slave
Creative Audigy 2 sound card on its own IRQ with no conflicts
Vegas Audio 2.0
Windows XP Home Edition

I've eliminated/disabled all non-essential Window services and start up programs via msconfig and the services area of the control panel. I've also experimented with the "Playback buffering" setting in Vegas.

All my recording is done as simple audio recording through the microphone or line-in jack on the sound card. In fact, the recording part isn't really the problem. It's the playback when the track count gets high.

Any thoughts? Do I simply need more RAM? Do I need a faster hard drive? Should the primary and secondary drives be on the same IDE bus?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

drbam wrote on 10/22/2003, 5:30 PM
The only thing that stands out to me is your data drive. It certainly would be better to have a good 7200, probably essential if you want to run 20 or more tracks with plugins. I personally would ditch the Audigy card for something better but this shouldn't be an issue in terms of track count.

HTH,

drbam