Vegas 5.0b problems Continue

StormCrow wrote on 12/12/2004, 6:17 AM
I'm still having problems with Vegas 5 that do not occur at all with Vegas 4. The problems are clear pixel like areas that are scattered but can be seen when scrubbing the timeline frame by frame. They are in the same spot each time. They are not as severe as they used to be thanks to a Sony engineer who shall remain nameless but they are still there. There is also another problem with Vegas 5 that I am noticing. Every so often there is a flag-like wave in the video, usually in the corners that goes in towards the middle and then it settles down? I can scrub through slowly and see exactly when it happens each time. If I view this footage in Vegas 4 it plays flawlessly with no problems at all. I want to stand at the top of the world and scream that Vegas 5 is the greatest but I just can't because Vegas 4 never gave me one crash or problem but Vegas 5 is just not working as it should. Any help would be appreciated! Heck, I'll even drag this beast of a computer up to Madison if that's what it takes to get this fixed!

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nickle wrote on 12/12/2004, 11:07 AM
Since this happens to you and not others it is most likely your setup.

If it happens in 5 but not 4....what is the difference?

Dot net? something with sp2? Something about how you set your preferences differently?

Did you capture in 4 or 5? What happens if you capture in the other one?

This is not a solution, but the start of trying to troubleshoot your system.

i.e. if you try another system (PC) will you get the same results?

If you did a complete format and reinstall would you get the same results?

It is a complex problem when things don't go right on a PC but often the "simple solution" is there somewhere, you just have to think of it or stumble on it.
ken c wrote on 12/12/2004, 11:15 AM
Posts like this, are why I am happy to continue using Vegas 4. I'll wait til V6 to upgrade, assuming it's a better product than 4. So far, 4 is terrific.

I'm "sitting out" V5.

ken
Jay Gladwell wrote on 12/12/2004, 11:45 AM
No problems here with Vegas 5b--purrs like a kitten!

Jay
scdragracing wrote on 12/12/2004, 1:23 PM
i have also seen the wavy areas during scrubbing... but who cares what the picture quality is when scrubbing video? my only concern is what it looks like when it's exported, 'cause that's what you are getting paid for... and to a much lesser extent, what it looks like when it's played back on the monitor at normal speed, from the hard drive.

were your pixel areas there when exported to tape? what did you do to lessen that issue?
MyST wrote on 12/12/2004, 2:08 PM
Jay, that purring sound might be coming from you hard-drives and not Vegas. You might want to check that out before blaming Vegas. ;-)

Mario
Jay Gladwell wrote on 12/12/2004, 2:11 PM
Good one, Mario! You got me on that one. ;o)

Jay
StormCrow wrote on 12/13/2004, 9:06 AM
If it happens in 5 but not 4....what is the difference?

There is no difference other than Vegas 5. Same computers (I've tried on two seperate computers) Vegas 4 works great, Vegas 5 gives me problems on both.

Something about how you set your preferences differently?

Preferences are set at default as that's what I'm used to.

Did you capture in 4 or 5?

Tapes were captured in Vegas 5.

What happens if you capture in the other one?

Pretty sure that prior to upgrading to V5 from V4 I had captured clips from 4 in there and the problem was once again only with V5 and not V4.

if you try another system (PC) will you get the same results?

Yes, this is the whole reason I went out and built a newer faster computer. My old one is a P4 2.4Ghz with 1 gig DDR, 80 gig Maxtor system drive (contains programs and Vegas 4 & 5), 250 gig Hitachi Video storage drive, both 7200rpm drives.

If you did a complete format and reinstall would you get the same results?

Your scaring the hell out of me now.......because I don't want to have to do that.
JJKizak wrote on 12/13/2004, 9:13 AM
Does that Hitachi drive have anything to do with the old IBM drives?
They did have problems.
StormCrow wrote on 12/13/2004, 9:14 AM
but who cares what the picture quality is when scrubbing video?

first off I do care because then you would not know what the end quality would look like unless you had to render everything. Vegas 4 does not have this problem...only Vegas 5 for me. I realize there are many out there using Vegas 5 with no problems but I am having problems and have been since I first upgraded to it. Not on just one computer but two! That tells me it is something within the program and not just me. Maybe it is possible I got a bad installation disk? I don't know that's why I am asking for help!
nickle wrote on 12/13/2004, 9:25 AM
Are you using Vegas 5.0b (build 160) the latest version?

Do you have SP2 installed?
daryl wrote on 12/13/2004, 9:26 AM
But how will you really know what the output will look like until you render it, especially if you create an mpeg for DVD. The preview window won't show the final output. Are the "waves" inside or outside the safe zone?

As you can probably guess, I've NEVER had a problem with VV3, VV4, or VV5 and have run them over the years on everything from a 486 to dual processor P4. If I were to wait until EVERYONE said that ANY software worked grreat on EVERY computer, hmmm.....
StormCrow wrote on 12/13/2004, 11:57 AM
Not sure? I picked them because of the reviews and because they had the fastest seek times (8.5ns) of the 7200 rpm drives I looked at. Also because they are very quite and by the reviews very reliable. I'm sorry...the drives in my old computer are Maxtors, the drives in my new computer are Hitachi. I had the same problems with Vegas 5 in both.
StormCrow wrote on 12/13/2004, 11:58 AM
Yes and Yes
StormCrow wrote on 12/13/2004, 12:03 PM
But how will you really know what the output will look like until you render it, especially if you create an mpeg for DVD. The preview window won't show the final output. Are the "waves" inside or outside the safe zone?

I have tried rendering it and it is still there and it goes all the way to the end product (every phase), DVD. Ye i can see it in every phase from preview, render, mpeg2, DVD. It is usually in the lower left hand corner but I have seen this "flag wave or flutter" more towards the center left also. At first I thought it was just my monitor so I rendered and watched and it was still there...in that one spot. It does not just happen one time in an entire video. My average video 's are an 1 hour 50 minutes long and it might happen three to 5 times in that duration. Yes it is generally inside the innermost safe zone.
nickle wrote on 12/13/2004, 12:11 PM
SP2 has issues with all kinds of things and Vegas 5 is different from Vegas 4.

Many have NOT installed SP2 and some have.

I would remove it.
jeff-beardall wrote on 12/13/2004, 7:59 PM
yeah...i have that pixel problem too...it seems to occur on only one hard drive on one computer, a wd200 gig 7200 on the primary ide slave port. I can re-render the project and it doesn't happen. I seemed to solve the problem by removing my Promise Ultra 100TX2 card. It was a weird one to diagnose, semmingly random. I can't confirm that I've solved the issue for sure! I haven't seen a flag like wave in any of my video. I know the source tape is not the problem for me..it definitely is an issue with the way vegas is interacting with my hardware. i'm running xp sp1 on a pretty clean (software wise) machine.
BillyBoy wrote on 12/13/2004, 8:25 PM
Just so nobody goes chasing after ghosts, it isn't SP2.
nickle wrote on 12/13/2004, 8:43 PM
BillyBoy

Do you have a solution you aren't sharing?

Or do you know for certain that SP2 is bug free?
busterkeaton wrote on 12/14/2004, 1:17 AM
IBM had a bad batch of hard drives made at one their factories at least a year before they sold their hard drive business to Hitachi. It only affected one size of the drives not all. I have not heard any bad news about Hitachi hard drives.
farss wrote on 12/14/2004, 1:55 AM
Unless Vegas does some REALLY unusual calls to the OS one would have to wonder how the OS or any SPs could affect only Vegas!
Think about it, all the calcs are done inside of Vegas, all the OS does is move data backwards and forwards and handle hardware interfaces. For an OS to cause something this deeply buried that only affects Vegas is hard to comprehend.

If it was an issue I'd imagine the wheels would be falling off all kinds of applications. Only thing I could imagine is if Vegas does things outside of the normal system calls like read / writes directly to hardware and I seriously doubt that's the case.

Bob.